fett on 16/5/2012 at 05:02
But but but... Didn't I say, "I'm not saying it's better,"? I concede the point - I guess it is subjective. Maybe I haven't played jazz to the level I imagine, but I played in some of the biggest clubs in Memphis and Chicago and it didn't touch the level of musicianship I encountered playing metal. Ohmygod im so drunk i just had dinner/deinks with rbj disregarf this whole post. Fick.
Kuuso on 16/5/2012 at 14:26
A formally trained musician playing classical guitar on the top level is above other guitarists in skill except maybe the the top flamenco players. If you have ever seen a trained musician playing the classic composers like Vivaldi et al you'd realise this.
BUT - it's a big but - that classical guitarist playing metal would probably sounds shit compared to a metal player and vice versa. These skills are not interchangeable. Yet the skillset which the classical guitar player plays is way more widely applicable to music in general, thus another reason why they are generally better than their metal counterparts.
fett on 16/5/2012 at 17:23
Yeah but I don't hear much difference between a classical player and Yngve (sp?) and Petrucci. The scale/mode set between the two are closely related, right? I'm not an accomplished guitar player myself but the ones I've known tend to be metal guys that are perfectly comfortable in a classical setting, rarely the other way around. I remember an interview with the first chair violinist who played with the orchestra on Dream Theater's Score concert. He said it was the most challenging music he'd ever played and the whole group struggled quite hard to learn the songs in time because they had to play progressions that were far more complicated than what they normally worked with. I dunno.
Jason Moyer on 17/5/2012 at 00:23
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Here's a brief, chronological history of metal:
Black Sabbath
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Dio
Burton-era Metallica
The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste
Godflesh
Prong
Tool
System Of A Down
Who Gives A Fuck
Updated with truthiness.
fett on 17/5/2012 at 14:49
You need Tool and Rush on there.
Jason Moyer on 17/5/2012 at 15:08
Tool, sure, not really seeing how Rush fits? Maybe I'll add them to my brief history of cheesy mainstream prog? Would that history even include anything besides Yes, Rush, and Dream Theater?
fett on 18/5/2012 at 21:19
Jason, you're baiting me, right? :p
Pretty much every band on your list, sans Motorhead and Sabbath, cite Rush as an influence (and some as their *primary* influence). Insomuch as metal generally has no problem wandering into odd time signatures or producing 12 minute songs, it can usually be traced back to Rush's commercial success with 2112. Not saying there weren't flirtations with it before with Zeppelin and such, but it seems to be they belong on there more than Godflesh or Dio (aren't Iron Maiden and Dio the same thing in terms of new movements or a "chronology" of the genre?). They've certainly had more to do with the progression (no pun intended) of metal than Prong. I think Neurosis probably belongs on there as well.
Trying to think of other bands in the category you suggested but all I can think of is King Crimson who are not really "metal" but you mentioned Yes, so...Still none of those but Rush has had any tangible influence on a wide arc of artists the way Rush has. Maybe DT, but it's still too early to tell.
Volitions Advocate on 19/5/2012 at 00:04
Virtuosity is something that is difficult to gauge, especially when you're trying to tie it into differen genres on the same instrument. There is some metal that is insanely difficult, but there are also classical pieces that are as well, with all the key changes available.
I'm not arguing the point based on those grounds however. I just thought I'd share something.
Schubert and Mendelssohn were contemporaries in Romantic music and on the surface, a lot of Schuberts work sounded a great deal less technical or virtuosic than Mendelssohns, however that was because Schubert was a theory guy, and Mendelssohn was a player. Schuberts music is slower (as far as tempo goes) but much much harder than Mendelssohn's pieces. This is because he wanted to get his music across in his own way, where Mendelssohn wrote the music to fit the instruments better. So if you're a seasoned violin player, you can blast through his pieces at a blazing speed, and yet struggle with the difficulties of playing a Schubert piece.
Just food for thought.
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