Dale_ on 10/5/2014 at 22:54

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Hey there fellow Dromed-addicted taffers! :)

I realise there are several threads discussing this subject at length already. However, after searching and searching, all those threads discussing it (including the ones referred to in the FAQ) seem to be from several years ago and I have reason to believe they could be outdated so I wanted to compile all that information here and clarify what the limits are as of 2014.

The information I've found in these threads suggests that:

Maximum number of terrain brushes: around 4000, although it could be pushed up to 6 or 7k?
Maximum number of objects: 2400
Maximum number of room brushes: 1000

However, in the release notes of patch 1.19 (which I think was released in 2012, later followed by the beta 1.21?), I've found the following:

- Increased brush limit from 7068 to 16384
- Increased rooms limit from 1024 to 4096
- Increased ambient sound limit from 256 to 1024
- Increased cell limit from 28672 to 32760
- Increased the maximum number of sides in a cylinder from 10 to 26.
- Increased automap location limit from 64 to 256 locations per page

So here come my questions:
1) Does the first line refer only to terrain brushes? Would a mission with some 15000 terrain brushes be stable and crash-free?
2) The notes do not mention the number of objects. However, in the (http://nickdablin.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/absolute-beginners-guide-to-creating-a-thief-2-mission-part-one/) Absolute Beginner's Guide to Dromed there is a part where we are instructed to edit dark.cfg and set "obj_max" from 2400 to 8000 just to be on the safe side. Does this mean that we can set that value to any number and the limit on objects is practically gone? Or would going over 8000 cause Dromed to go bonkers? :)
3) Last but not least something that's been going through my mind. When it comes to importing various models into Dromed (using the 3ds to e to bin way of converting), is there any way (with 1.19/1.21) to make Dromed able to handle higher-poly models?

Thanks in advance for clarification!

Dale

Dale_ on 10/5/2014 at 23:55

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I'm not sure what the limit there is exactly but anything above 1500 polygons crashes Dromed with a warning message saying something like "too many polygons, Dromed is done".

ZylonBane on 11/5/2014 at 02:34

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I thought it was a limitation of BSP. Perhaps some experiments could be conducted with Nemyax's Blender exporter to see if it allows higher-poly BINs. Although, for the fidelity of Dark's environments, the current object polygon limit is more than sufficient.

fibanocci on 11/5/2014 at 06:26

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1. I don't think you'll ever touch the 16384-brush limit (whatever this means), since there's other limits, too.
2. Modders Notes

Xorak on 11/5/2014 at 22:33

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I ask this with just a hint of facetiousness, but why not then build every object with the AI bin program? When importing the AI object into Dromed, it can easily then be turned into a lifeless AI.




The modders_notes file does say that there is a limit of 8192 objects.

I'd bet that a mission with 15,000 terrain brushes would be stable, but you'd be hitting the cell limits before you ever reach 15,000. Adding a single terrain brush can generate 0 to 100 cells depending on the complexity of your mission. Like a snowball effect, the more brushes you add, the more cells they'll tend to generate.