DDL on 11/4/2013 at 08:49
But for the low low price of only 5 or 10 bucks, you can pretend to not be a cynic for a few minutes! :p
My view was much like Bretheren's, save that I'd rather risk losing a tiny amount of cash than I would risk feeling like an arsehole later. Of course, I could be in the whole "I have made my decision thus I must justify it even if it subsequently proves to be a stupid decision!" mode.
And there's always the "if it's a scam, what's she gonna spend it on: booze, drugs and hookers? Well, that's what I was gonna spend it on anyway..." fallback line.
catbarf on 13/5/2013 at 05:36
Apparently IndieGoGo shut down the fundraiser even after it met funding last month. Today, Chloe Sagal posted this to her Youtube channel:
Inline Image:
http://i.imgur.com/D7qRwXI.pngOn an indie gaming forum she posted this:
Quote:
I've failed.
I've failed at everything I love, I've even failed at saving myself countless times, all because I'm a coward.
If it wasn't enough, everyone was quick to tell me that I had failed, as if no one else had bothered to tell me. Constantly barraging me over and over and over, as if I needed to know.
Just keep telling yourself that I'm just a drama queen, and I don't know what pain is. It hurts so much, and I'm tired of feeling it. I'm tired of being afraid of everything, I'm tired of wearing this mask that kills me everytime I take it off.
Everyone has to be so sure of themselves, and would rather subject someone to a lifetime of pain than to bend just a little bit.
I don't care anymore.
To the people I love and/or care about the most, Morgan, Mike, Katie, Jesse, Kathy, Jessica, Eddie, Indy, Kyle, Santino, Keone, Isaiah, Amari, Ayana, Jaylin, Elija, Jutta, Andrew, Dawn, AJ, Jake and Connor, it's not your fault, and you did what you could. I also want to say I love and care about you, my family. I also wanted to thank everyone who did try to support me over the past few months while recognizing that this is a private matter, and especially thank you to the ones who did not choose to help but still realized it was a private matter and didn't harass me or anyone else who chose to help.
And I wanted to say fuck you to my family, everyone who felt the need to say something nasty to me in this last month, all those people who are so sure they know what's going on with me, those doctors who never took the time to properly work with me, the ones who antagonized me for my situation, and those who just turned me away. I could only hope you feel bad for putting me in this situation, but odds are you won't learn a damn thing from any of this, and continue to hurt more and more people with your ignorance. You can't hurt me anymore.
I don't know what else to write. I'm tired of talking.
If you're sick and want to watch my final moments,
(
http://www.twitch.tv/chloe3353)
The stream has since been shut down. I don't know any more than this and I don't know what to make of it. The more I read about the fundraiser the more I'd been inclined to think it was bogus, but seeing stuff like this I can't help but question myself. If she is contemplating suicide I really hope she gets the help she needs.
retractingblinds on 13/5/2013 at 06:39
I wonder if PayPal donations would have worked for something like this.
demagogue on 13/5/2013 at 18:00
It's not the job of random people to guess anything, second or otherwise. That's why random people on the internet aren't paid to be auditors and doctors and lawyers and accountants and state bureaucrats that run the entire system of saving humanity from the comfort of their bedrooms. And if the system does fail people, the random masses will only fail them more. This is the lesson of communism. My job description is not to save this woman for a reason, and having a revolution to create a new society where I'm expected to save her and everyone else like her isn't going to just fuck up, but fuck up on a catastrophic scale.
That said, if some agency really screwed her over, some ambulance chasing lawyer is going to make a killing and should be on it like white on rice.
DDL on 13/5/2013 at 18:30
Quote Posted by demagogue
And if the system does fail people, the random masses will only fail them more.
Apart from the bit where she actually raised the money (from the random masses), but the system wouldn't let the transfers go through?
I mean, bitch about communism all you want, coz god knows it's generally terrible, but crowdsourcing CAN work.
catbarf on 13/5/2013 at 18:57
According to (
https://twitter.com/DtoidAllistair) a Destructoid editor, the story was effectively a cover for the real purpose of the fundraiser, which was money for gender reassignment surgery.
If it's true, wow. I have nothing against transgendered people and can understand some of the difficulties there, but emotional manipulation to scam some money for a non-life-critical operation is really, really low.
demagogue on 13/5/2013 at 19:07
Granted, this is not coercing people to give money, so the communism comment isn't on point (yet). I'll just boil my point down to the observation that crowdsourcing is an illegitimate means for financing healthcare.
DDL on 14/5/2013 at 08:02
Quote Posted by catbarf
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Yeah, that IS weird. 'Specially since you could probably go run a fundraiser for exactly that stated purpose and still get enough money.
june gloom on 14/5/2013 at 08:47
Quote Posted by demagogue
Granted, this is not coercing people to give money, so the communism comment isn't on point (yet). I'll just boil my point down to the observation that crowdsourcing is an illegitimate means for financing healthcare.
Given our current state of healthcare, even with the supposed overhaul Obamacare promises, do you really blame people for trying?
faetal on 14/5/2013 at 08:48
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I'm kind of desperate to get out of the UK before we complete our transition to a similar system.
[EDIT] Also, crowd-sourcing isn't an illegitimate means to pay for anything so long as the crowd knows what they are funding.
