june gloom on 14/5/2013 at 20:35
Quote Posted by Vivian
can't we just call them freaks? I mean, spades a spade and all that.
I can't tell with you anymore so please tell me you're not serious.
Vivian on 14/5/2013 at 21:05
nah, just trying to annoy you. Good job you or someone said something though.
NB you can get gender reassignment on the NHS in good old blighty (I had no idea it's now known as 'gender dysphoria'. What's a dysphoria?). Because we may be a bunch of ineffective blow-hards but we do have a fucking boss health service (at least, we do at the moment).
faetal on 14/5/2013 at 21:31
Not for long Viv. You did see who Cameron just appointed as health advisor right?
SubJeff on 14/5/2013 at 23:33
Quote Posted by Vivian
What's a dysphoria?
Opposite of euphoria.
For the record - this seemed like bs to me all along. I've little sympathy for this person tbh. Scam is a scam is a scam. Unless you are seriously ill, which they clearly aren't because they are able to perpetuate a scam.
catbarf on 15/5/2013 at 04:13
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Unless you are seriously ill, which they clearly aren't because they are able to perpetuate a scam.
I think threatening suicide over it is a clear sign of serious mental illness.
Yakoob on 15/5/2013 at 04:49
Quote Posted by faetal
Also, crowd-sourcing isn't an illegitimate means to pay for anything so long as the crowd knows what they are funding.
As much as I hate the obvious cash-grabs or people with exisitng fame / sources of investment (ab)using it, I have to agree. In the end, as long as they're honest, they should be allowed to ask for (which is different from "get") the money. Heck, men have been doing that for thousands of years; it's called Beggers 2.0
edit: also fatela, check your pms!
retractingblinds on 15/5/2013 at 05:57
Quote Posted by catbarf
I think threatening suicide over it is a clear sign of serious mental illness.
Or serious desperation. Reminds me more of a tantrum a child might throw than anything.
GayleSaver on 15/5/2013 at 05:59
Quote Posted by DDL
I'm not sure communism is really the right word to use, in that case. Mass crowdsourcing wouldn't be communism, by any stretch. Not least because communism still (in theory) has some sort of collective mutually agreed distribution system. Crowdsourcing is closer to anarchy, really: a clusterfuck of wholly independent individuals each able to freely decide how (or indeed, whether) their particular 'share' of the combined wealth total is spent.
Nobody is suggesting that crowdsourcing ever be used as a healthcare system, as far as I can tell. Not least because that would be entirely insane. It'd be like some nightmare version of reddit where each upvote means you get your meds for that week. You'd have to be entertaining or noteworthy enough to merit treatment.
"I need another radiotherapy session!"
"THEN POST MOAR AWKWARD PENGUIN MACROS"
what a narrow slice of the world you see.
in October 2010 I saw dirt-poor Bosnians gather together the money to take a child to Slovenia for an operation.
Regardless of whether that course of action was smart, the fact that they did it impressed me deeply. But what impressed me even more were the human bonds formed by the outpouring of goodwill.
Maybe we're too obsessed with ourselves, too materially content, too soft-bellied to understand why people help each other without expecting any reward or dropping sarcastic remarks.
As to Chloe -- whoever she is -- it was never in good taste to beg for yourself. In any nation.
SubJeff on 15/5/2013 at 06:05
Quote Posted by catbarf
I think threatening suicide over it is a clear sign of serious mental illness.
Yup. There is no way it could be manipulation is there?
No, that would break some law of physics, right?
:banghead:
DDL on 15/5/2013 at 06:26
Quote Posted by GayleSaver
what a narrow slice of the world you see.
"I have a single unrelated example of something, therefore your entire statement reveals you have a narrow view of the world"??
That seems like a bit of a stretch. I mean, it's great that dirt-poor bosnians got together to do stuff (I'm not sure they'd like you to refer to them as "dirt-poor", but hey), but the very fact that something like that stands out in your mind as an exceptionally touching display of goodwill should be telling you something about the general feasibility of that as a general model for healthcare. Where were those bosnians when all the other children needed operations? What about the elderly dementia patients? The diabetics? The teenager who crashed his bike?
Can people come together to do amazing things? Yes.
Can people be depended upon to come together to do amazing things, day in, day out, day after day?
Fuck no.
Hence, healthcare (something that requires constant influx of cash money) is not a suitable target for a solely-crowdfunded model. Which was -I think- demagogue's original point anyway (mine was simply that nobody had even suggested that model, because it's pretty self-evidently crazy).
As an aside, it also strikes me as strange that you spend your whole post referencing outpouring of goodwill, but then finish off with what is effectively "and fuck
you, Chloe"....
