Thor on 19/6/2015 at 13:08

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Sorry for lashing out at your journalist guy. As I briefly expressed, an alternate way of my opinion can be seen as "I am not his target audience". See, I have heard imo more "media lies" stories then I ever needed to. So when watching such a video, I see only some guy being negative about something that may or may not be true. Whether something actually is the way it's shown remains to be seen. I don't trust the media, nor anyone's opinion, but I don't take it as some outrageous thing when it turns out something was overhyped, like watch dogs. Yeah, they were being asshats, but I wasn't really surprised. I guess I'm not that invested in these things to begin with. So in that respect he has a decent point (hold your hype until you try it yourself). But jeez, was everyone really so surprised it wasn't half as complex as our imaginations imagined? The only real surprise to me was that they downgraded the graphics, but I guess that was because of more bullshit console reasons or something. PC Masterrace, end of story lol.

If they somehow fuck up Mirror's Edge, I'll be kind of disappointed, partially because from what they've seen and shown looks good and there isn't anything fishy behind it (like a NEW DYNAMIC SYSTEM where the path you take from point A to point B literally changes the outcome of the game and each enemy you encounter has a personal story and killing a specific policeman may have dire consequences cause he was the governor's brother and shit hits the fan OMG [or something more imaginative; I just tried to recreate some bullshit promise from some game company that I could see from a mile away that fans would rage about it later, even though the game itself was probably pretty nice and didn't even underdeliver that much]), partially because I loved the original (or previous title. I think the words "reboot" or "the original game" have become more common than the words "sequel" or "prequel").

And buying into something new and supposedly revolutionary like those hololenses should always be with caution and a "try before you buy" mentality. I find that to be an obvious/proven/natural guideline. Anything new/unknown is a "try it yourself before you buy it" in the best of reasoning. If I'm going to buy a mechanical keyboard in the future, I'm going to a store and press on the keys and get a feel of what it would be like to have it, not blindly accepting what I've seen or heard about it. It's a default stance that should be natural and normal in any purchases. That's how I see it anyway.

Edit: and that's why preordering is also objectively dumb (or risky, if you will), but I think most people realise this now. The reason such things came to be was that there was no digital format to distribute it through. Now it's only a question of putting faith into a publisher because you.. respect the games they made in the past? The past is the past, things change and even the best company can release something bad due to a less luckily put together team or a bad manager or whatnot, those are just the variables I can personally imagine that shape any game in the deepest, most fundamental ways. And yeah, they're variables. Because they vary.

Edit2: that said I don't mean to say that anyone who preorders is dumb. But I would like to say that anyone who preorders should realise that he is being dumb. It may be on purpuse, because what's life without taking risks.

Sorry for posting a goddamn essay.

Judith on 19/6/2015 at 14:09

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The video from the previous page is kinda Cpt. Obious mode, but pointing such things it out again and again is important, just without holier-than-thou attitude and telling people not to watch E3. Education, explaining why this is bad, and it actually hurts industry.

I thought press reactions at Bethesda conference were embarrassing and abysmal, but this is the new bottom for me: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJTWEEi6BM)

faetal on 19/6/2015 at 14:40

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This is just embarrassing.

EvaUnit02 on 19/6/2015 at 21:03

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Go take your crusade to some place where unwashed masses converge like GameFAQs forums. Posting this obvious shit on TTLG isn't necessary.

Also oh please, as if tertiary qualifications mean much in the journalism business.

"Bullshots" and CGI trailers are never gonna go away. Move on and focus energises where they're needed to make a difference like pre-order culture, stripping out content and selling as DLC, micro-transactions in retail games. Telling people to not to watch ads is gonna make jackshit difference to financial bottomlines, voting with wallets is the best way to send a message.

I wouldn't worry about HoloLens. Hardware gimmicks tend to go nowhere, as stereoscopic 3D and Kinect have already demonstrated. VR will probably crash and burn with the mainstream and only achieve long-term success with niche audiences amongst the PC gaming community.

There is nothing wrong with having enthusiasm about your hobby and having fun with even the advertising. Cynicism certainly has its place, but remember that gaming is still an ENTERTAINMENT medium. Many, many people genuinely enjoy all of the showmanship and spectacle of gaming industry events. Nobody should be Grinches and take that away from them. My sentiment at Superbunnyhop telling people to stop watching is still "FUCK OFF!"


Crowd-funding is not pre-ordering!


The context is a reaction panel, so it's entirely opinion-based. This is entirely "editorial", like most regular columns in a print publication. Their opinion in this case was enthusiasm over a much-loved cult franchise that's finally getting a sequel. This sort of thing entirely has its place in journalism.

They clearly aren't "shilling". They're genuinely sharing their sincere opinions here. Pull your head of the sand, you're being frankly no better than a fanboy looking to reinforce their confirmation bias even when faced with facts.

EvaUnit02 on 20/6/2015 at 02:16

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The (http://www.pcgamer.com/shenmue-3s-development-is-being-funded-mainly-by-sony/) fucking transparency is right there. Some Kickstarters, like the one for Kingdom Come: Deliverance or Star Citizen (initially. Now it's 100% crowd-funded), are about proving to investors that interest exists for a product. Asking consumers to "shut up and put your their money where their mouth is" essentially. OF COURSE Sony is bankrolling some of Shenmue 3 (clearly not 100%, otherwise there'd be no PC version); as Superbunnyhop pointed out, $2 million sure as hell ain't gonna fund an UE4-powered open world game. Investors want to make projects less risk-averse for themselves, so what? Again vote with your dollar and don't back the Kickstarter if don't agree with it.

A lot of crowd-funded games often are not 100% funded by Kickstarter anyway, especially not higher profile ones. Eg Double Fine put an additional $2 million into Broken Age of their own money (before Steam Early Access sales); InXile is putting their own money into Bard's Tale IV; Mighty No. 9 added Japanese voice acting and funded DLC development thanks to publisher Deep Silver; The Mandate is getting an expanded orchestral soundtrack thanks to publisher Iceberg Interactive; etc.

Kickstarter is ALWAYS a gamble and I think by now many consumers are aware of this. Normally when you're backing a Kickstarter, you're saying that you believe in an idea for product that doesn't exist yet. Pre-orders are just blindly paying for a game that's bound for market anyway.


The centre dude in the GameTrailers clip started freaking out over the petals dropping, to know that it was Shenmue just from that small detail alone is king nerd fan knowledge right there. You can't fake that.