EvaUnit02 on 20/6/2015 at 02:49
Quote Posted by Starker
And where was that transparency on the Sony stage? Where was/is that transparency in the Kickstarter page? They made no mention on the stage or the KS page that Sony is funding it.
Fucking transparency.
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Can you make an open world game for just $2 million?
No, we cannot make an open world game for $2 million. Shenmue will be produced using both the funds raised from the Kickstarter and through other funding sources already secured by Ys Net Inc. We are very sorry, but due to contractual obligations, details of outside investments will not be disclosed.
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/description)
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Nowhere was I saying that these guys are faking it. I was saying that this is the level of professionalism video game
shilling journalism is at, currently.
The point is if you think that GT clip is "evidence" of journalists shilling out in that particular scenario, then you're clearly deluded.
Have you never read an opinion-based regular column or an editorial in a newspaper or any other traditional press publication before? Being informal is well within the bounds.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/columns/9791053/Needless-invocations-against-disaster)
Again, the context here of a reaction panel is no different.
Starker on 20/6/2015 at 02:53
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Again, the context here of a reaction panel is no different.
The context here is that they are reporting on what's ostensibly a professional trade show.
What's next? Are we going to see cosplayers at GDC like it was some kind of a fan convention?
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
Fucking transparency.
Yeah, we have outside investments that we can't disclose, but we totally need your money.
This whole thing is disingenuous as f*ck. If this is only for gauging the level of fan interest, why are there stretch goals? What, Sony won't give them money to translate the subtitles into additional languages? And yeah, 30k will totally allow them to implement a "Skill Tree System" I'm sure without all the backer support there wouldn't have been a "Skill Tree System" in the game. /sarcasm
Jason Moyer on 20/6/2015 at 03:50
E3 is a week of blinged-out powerpoint presentations. I'm not sure it's really worth getting either excited or angered by.
Sulphur on 20/6/2015 at 03:53
That's right. Take what you want from it, but there's better things to spill an excess of emotion over than annualised self-promoting corporate blowouts.
Judith on 20/6/2015 at 08:58
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The context here is that they are reporting on what's ostensibly a professional trade show.
This.
GTTV guy's reaction is similar to his national team winning the world cup. An actual event, a feat, even though you can dismiss it as well, as something not really important. This guy actually managed to take it even further, getting this excited over a product, that doesn't even exist. A manchild peeing his pants over a promise. A paid amateur nerd, not a media representative, who has certain responsibilities. In all those cases, where people will wonder why game journalism is so underpaid, why devs and gamers alike treat journos with contempt – this will be used as one of many examples. This profession won't be treated with respect, as this guy can be replaced by anyone.
Slasher on 21/6/2015 at 23:38
Not sure if this was shown at E3 or not, but here's a longer video of TR2 gameplay:
[video=youtube;GZ19JCTOGfI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ19JCTOGfI#t=86[/video]
Tony_Tarantula on 22/6/2015 at 04:45
Quote Posted by Judith
This.
GTTV guy's reaction is similar to his national team winning the world cup. An actual event, a feat, even though you can dismiss it as well, as something not really important. This guy actually managed to take it even further, getting this excited over a product, that doesn't even exist. A manchild peeing his pants over a promise. A paid amateur nerd, not a media representative, who has certain responsibilities. In all those cases, where people will wonder why game journalism is so underpaid, why devs and gamers alike treat journos with contempt – this will be used as one of many examples. This profession won't be treated with respect, as this guy can be replaced by anyone.
Perhaps without realizing it, Judith has hit the nail on the head in regards to why so many media outlets are having problems.
To be fair this problem isn't limited to Games "journalism"( for example the New York Times was caught red-handing corresponding with Bush officials to make sure the desired narrative was published) but it applies in spades here as well. There's absolutely nothing unique or interesting about a shrill and obvious sycophant. They provide no thought innovation, no remarkable insight, and no intellectual contribution to any discussion.
But again, it is unfortunate that a lot of the juvenile behavior remains common the games industry. A former consultant I got to meet with (from a top 3 firm) who went in Tech management Silicon Valley culture is immature. His exact words were that "A lot of tech companies treat their employees like overgrown children and for the most part they're happy to be treated that way. Companies dangle frivolties like a climbing wall in the office or nerf gun fights as incentives and the kids seem happy to take that instead of any real compensation or influence".
As of right now the crappy management of large publishing companies and the piss poor journalism (the "ethics in journalism" argument that is a direct result of "journalists" doing little other than sucking publisher's dicks both literally and figuratively) continues to exist for one reason and one reason only: a lot of game developers, game "journalists" and gamers are children in adult bodies.
Tony_Tarantula on 22/6/2015 at 04:51
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The (
http://www.pcgamer.com/shenmue-3s-development-is-being-funded-mainly-by-sony/) fucking transparency is right there. Some Kickstarters, like the one for Kingdom Come: Deliverance or Star Citizen (initially. Now it's 100% crowd-funded), are about proving to investors that interest exists for a product. Asking consumers to "shut up and put your their money where their mouth is" essentially. OF COURSE Sony is bankrolling some of Shenmue 3 (clearly not 100%, otherwise there'd be no PC version); as Superbunnyhop pointed out, $2 million sure as hell ain't gonna fund an UE4-powered open world game. Investors want to make projects less risk-averse for themselves, so what? Again vote with your dollar and don't back the Kickstarter if don't agree with it.
Well analyzed from a business perspective. Partial crowdfunding allows a project's backers to hedge their bets and reduce the investment risk associated with releasing new products.
Unfortunately I don't see it going away. "Don't back it" is all well and good but won't change anything. As dumb as Bjack can be sometimes he's right about one thing: the overwhelming majority of people in the gaming community have no critical thinking skills whatsoever and are extremely quick to respond to emotional appeals(particularly fear-based appeals. Nerds are by and large extremely fearful people, otherwise they wouldn't be nerds). They also don't think once, let alone twice, before jumping on a perceived bandwagon. The approach they took with the kickstarter presses both buttons at once.
EvaUnit02 on 22/6/2015 at 21:53
^
I can't take you seriously after that bit of pseudo-intellectual, armchair psychological profiling.
Tony_Tarantula on 23/6/2015 at 02:50
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^
I can't take you seriously after that bit of pseudo-intellectual, armchair psychological profiling.
Not that you take anything you disagree with seriously.
Besides which it isn't intended as pscyhological profiling. I'm summarizing my experiences with people who went into the field. Hell before I got my head screwed on right I was studying computer media at a top-5 engineering school and most of the people I got to interact with both in industry and industry hopeful were at least moderately challenged in terms of emotional maturity....hence why they're susceptible to marketing ploys that don't work in any other industry. The comment about fear is again less of an attempt in profile and more what I've witnessed. I recall one time when a couple of us from a class were trying to plan transportation for a panel event and using the town's train system was ruled out because "people get mugged all the time on it".
