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thiefessa on 15/5/2013 at 07:04
Quote Posted by Brethren
Dia, I don't think that's actually supposed to be part of the game's title, it's just a tagline. Like
In Space No One Can Hear You Scream, or
A Long Time Ago, In A Galaxy Far, Far Away...
Agreed. :cool:
Nuth on 15/5/2013 at 07:14
Quote Posted by Starker
That's why I said it is implied. You know how Garrett hesitates only slightly before agreeing to helping Victoria despite their less than amicable past. Doesn't it seem that he's a bit confused or his answer a bit forced? There might well be pheromones or magic at play here. Plus she has manipulated him before. Also, she's not asking him to join them, she's telling him. "You will join our struggle against the mechanists."
That was an interesting cutscene. Garrett might have been willing to help Viktoria, but given Garrett's reluctance to get involved in struggles between contending powers, he may have just been trying to figure out how he was going to get out of the Maw alive. He must have known he couldn't challenge Viktoria in the Maw. Once he agreed, and Viktoria did that blood & sap letting, I figured he was magically bound somehow to stick to the agreement.
jtr7 on 15/5/2013 at 07:22
Even the first time I played TMA, having never played TDP/Gold, I immediately felt like Garrett was being manipulated, and had he not been in Viki's realm, might've been more willing to do things his own way. If she's not resorting to wood nymph magic, and the blood oath isn't magic, then there's still something in how he says he agrees that sounds like something more than just not liking the idea. If he's not spellbound, it's a psychological lever of some kind, not the Mechanist threat. Another possibility may be some kind of intrigue and curiosity where things may go, but that also seems not right to me.
I've always wanted to know if it would be true that the earth would hold them to their promise, and what that might entail. The Eye was fueled by Garrett's flesheye, and there are other sentient rocks and plants, so I wonder if the rock that had the sap and blood spilt on it could actually do something if the oath was broken. There's also the fanficky idea of the mingling of blood leading to offspring, heh heh.
Starker on 15/5/2013 at 07:25
Also, the manipulation angle opens up an interesting possibility that Victoria faked her own death in order to get Garrett to attack Karras/Soulforge "head on".
Nuth on 15/5/2013 at 07:31
I said "the Maw", but was it established that Viktora's realm was part of the Maw? I've always assumed it was, but I can't recall if there was anything definite about that.
jtr7 on 15/5/2013 at 07:32
If she faked her death--though I'm more open to her not being the only wood nymph relating to The City--then even Dyan and Larkspur aren't in on it.
Other than Garrett's two unsure questions, spoken and on the map as "Maw?", but you have to look here:
Quote Posted by M10B05
Lit up the lights o' the Gathering Place,
'til all of thems glows round the Woodsie Lord's head.
Then open them eyes of the Jacksberry Giver,
by bringin the rubies and then placing thems there.
Jumps in His mouth, when glows it all red,
for these is the way to them lair of the greens,
the maw of them earthsies and court of us dreams.
In DromEd, there are these labels:
EnterMaw
Viki's Room
Viktoria's Forest.
Nuth on 15/5/2013 at 07:44
I never got the impression that Viktoria's death was faked. But then again, I considered her(and the Trickster) to be incarnations of beings godlike enough that they don't truly die. I think they return from time to time though it's very difficult for them to manifest again after being "killed".
thiefessa on 15/5/2013 at 07:49
She definitely sacrificed herself... but dryads are immortal; so I don't believe she "died" entirely.
jtr7 on 15/5/2013 at 07:52
The Trickster died so easy, I struggle to believe it's a true death, too, more like vanquished yet again. With some of the other Tolkienisms in TDP, I'd rather think he shared the classic fantasy trope of never dying but needing to build power over a long period, like Sauron, after each defeat. With all the red markings on his body, especially on his original design, partially retained in the cutscenes, the fan idea that Constantine was an avatar of the Woodise Lord, bound to the flesh with ritualistic tattoos, is something I also favor, though I keep hoping to learn what the devs themselves were thinking of. At least he killed himself with his own power, so it's not like the Hammerites made a bomb. The fact the Trickster could still talk, and fell down twitching kind of shows his life left him, more than he was just blowed up real good.
