Phatose on 14/11/2008 at 22:02
I've got a nuclear power generating plant not 5 miles from my house. If it generates the electricity I use to power my toaster, that doesn't make my toaster nuclear powered and subject to nuclear explosion.
catbarf on 15/11/2008 at 01:52
Quote Posted by Phatose
I've got a nuclear power generating plant not 5 miles from my house. If it generates the electricity I use to power my toaster, that doesn't make my toaster nuclear powered and subject to nuclear explosion.
Now I've got the sudden urge to make a Fallout-style nuclear toaster...
Jason Moyer on 15/11/2008 at 02:32
Quote Posted by Phatose
I've got a nuclear power generating plant not 5 miles from my house. If it generates the electricity I use to power my toaster, that doesn't make my toaster nuclear powered and subject to nuclear explosion.
If your toaster had a self-contained miniature fusion reactor, that would be different though, wouldn't it? I could have sworn miniaturized nuclear technology was already part of Fallout before the latest game. Divergent history and all that fun stuff.
Edit: Yeah, according to the Fallout Bible (as cited on the Fallout Wiki), both electric and fusion cars were being manufactured in the US by 2060. And both kinds are in Fallout 3.
Ostriig on 15/11/2008 at 15:46
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
If your toaster had a self-contained miniature fusion reactor, that would be different though, wouldn't it? I could have sworn miniaturized nuclear technology was already part of Fallout before the latest game. Divergent history and all that fun stuff.
To be honest, I don't see how shooting a steel bullet into a uranium rod would create a nuclear explosion anyway.
But why is this important? I thought that, at least in terms of technology, Fallout was pulling a rather humorous interpretation of 60's Sci-fi, rather than attempt a realistic representation of a post-apocalyptic future in tune with today's standards.
Jason Moyer on 15/11/2008 at 16:26
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But why is this important? I thought that, at least in terms of technology, Fallout was pulling a rather humorous interpretation of 60's Sci-fi, rather than attempt a realistic representation of a post-apocalyptic future in tune with today's standards.
Well, yeah, that's kinda the entire point. It's the future as viewed from 1950. Miniaturized nuclear technology instead of transistors, radiation that creates giant animals, etc.
michaelg on 15/11/2008 at 23:32
Just picked up this game yesterday. After anxiously waiting for it to install to see if my aging comp would even play it, I cranked it up and it does work. Albeit at low settings.
Anyway I have a question about stealth in the game. I found Oblivions very unrealistic and overpowered. Does this game use stealth in the same manner? If so I won't bother playing a Thief type char.
As for the game itself, at first I was really dissapointed as it seems almost exactly like OB right down to the point when you're leaving the vault at the beginning, the game asks you if you're sure you want to keep your PC. However as I've started playing a bit more, there seems to be some very interesting game mechanics. I thought I would hate the VATS system however it's actually pretty cool. The NPC's seem better defined than OB as well, so pretty good so far.
Phatose on 16/11/2008 at 00:14
Yes, it's Oblivion stealth.
242 on 16/11/2008 at 18:29
Quote Posted by michaelg
Anyway I have a question about stealth in the game. I found Oblivions very unrealistic and overpowered.
I didn't play Oblivion, but FO3's stealth works nice, I wouldn't say it's overpowered. Lightness affects it, as well as player's movement. It's quite useful for critical hits, but it doesn't make you totally safe.
Jason Moyer on 16/11/2008 at 19:20
The stealth is pretty much exactly like oblivion. If you get your sneak skill up and get the perk that removes movement speed as a detection modifier, you can take down the weakest supermutants with one critical sneak attack from a decent shotgun or rifle without much trouble. Since, afaik, there's no chameleon-like enchanted armor (there's the stealth boy, which makes you mostly invisible but it's a temporary aid item), you don't run into the morrowind/oblivion thing where you can run right up and into an enemy without them seeing you. Even with 100 sneak I was often getting detected. I think 100 sneak is closer to say, Thief or something than a TES game imho.
Dario on 16/11/2008 at 20:02
I crash so much, I can barely play this game. Some of my saves get semi-corrupted or something (seems to depend on the area, as even making several saves all near the same spot doesn't help), and every time I load them, I crash out. Fortunately, about 1 in 20 loads will WORK when that happens, so I then have to teleport to another city, and try a new save.
Reminds me of the early Battlefield 2 days.
Other than that, I'm liking the game on an 8/10 level (I'm enjoying the VATS combat system thingy, the visuals for the most part, and fighting in general), but with some major complaints. First, I've never been a fan of Oblivion-style freedom, at least when handled in an Oblivion-like way... you know, where you're just left to wander the world, working on stats and pointless quests, with little sense of purpose, since the story is so flimsy and smeared so thin across the game. I don't really like how the story is handed to you in bite-size conversations that are as rare as they are almost completely uninformative. "Your father went that way." "Okay... Charge!" "Your father went that way." "Uhh... Okay, charge!" "Your father went that way." "Wait a minute... any idea why? Can I get some answers, or even a HINT about why he's doing this, and why I'm searching for him?" "I don't know. Ask him.").
I've been chasing the father for 13 hours of gameplay now, doing extremely few sidequests (did half of Fireants, half of Disarm the Megaton Bomb, and the Stealing Freedom one around Rivet City), and still don't even know why I'm looking for him exactly. For me, it's just really boring out in the Fallout world at the moment, except for the enjoyable combat and looting.
Maybe it's because I never played Fallout 1 or 2, but I just know NOTHING about the game world I'm in. Nill. All I know is that I'm in Washington DC, everything's destroyed, and there's radiation everywhere...
