Rogue Keeper on 2/12/2008 at 08:47
Quote Posted by dethtoll
constant fucking CTDsI have even worse problem than CTDs. Sometimes when I'm in quicksaving during combat (i.e. nearby enemies) in open areas the game freezes hard. Sometimes it helps to minimize the game calling up task manager, but it takes some time for it to react and after maximization into main menu I can continue normally, but I have feeling the application gets more unstable. And rarely it doesn't recover at all, either I have to terminate it in task manager or do hard reset. Very annoying, luckily it doesn't happen too often. Outside combat I can quicksave normally. Strange.
Guess what, the dude who makes TweakGuides (whose guides helped me to tweak several games before, thanks for that, and he seems to have good knowledge about hardware) defends the game by saying that he tested it thoroughy and had minimum crashes and encountered minimum bugs. Well that's very wrong my friend, in case of F3 the rants about crashes are justified - many people complain about them. And you should go through the extensive list of obscure little bugs here :
(
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_bugs)
Yes I tried it. Nice attempt but I decided that the extended loading times of nicer menus are probably not a good tradeoff.
Quote Posted by michaelg
You'd think there'd be a patch coming out, but I just checked the Beth boards and apparently the devs aren't talking.
Now, the 1.0.0.15 patch at least solved the crashes on exit for me, but overall it's not a big improvement. In fact, looking at the long list of bugs I think it would deserve a 250MB MEGAPATCH. Either Beth folks are silently processing feedback and work on series of updates or - and I'm afraid this is closer to reality - they don't care because they're busy working on add-ons (which will be similarly buggy). Making patches is always a nuisance which doesn't generate money. We should forget to rely on official support, the modding community is our only hope. Perhaps a group of skilled people use GECK developer kit to radically improve the game and make some megapatch.
vurt on 2/12/2008 at 08:49
The CTD issues is probably not on their end (i and many others don't get them). Bethesda is currently working on the GECK, the community will fix most of the bugs, as usual... can't say i ran into any bugs though, not that i noticed anyways but i bet there are hundreds of them, the Unofficial Community Patch for Oblivion fixed 1800 bugs, as an example.
EvaUnit02 on 2/12/2008 at 15:15
In case Dethtoll didn't see this in the other thread:-
june gloom on 2/12/2008 at 18:31
Could you explain to me exactly how that's supposed to fix my CTDs?
Gryzemuis on 2/12/2008 at 20:25
Rules of thumb:
- crash to the desktop: probably a bug in the game or application.
- machine spontaneously rebooting: could be a bug in a driver. but more likely, hardware problems. very unlikely a bug in a game or application.
The fact that your machine sometimes spontaneously reboots, indicates a hardware issue somewhere. Overheating, flaky memory, underpowered PSU, flaky PSU, damaged component, break in your motherboard, lose contacts, something like that. Potentially it could be the cause of more problems too, like the CTDs you see. You can't blame games or applications until your spontaneous reboots are fixed.
The fact that the machine reboots happen with some games, but not others, can be explained by the fact that some games are more intensive on the hardware. A game can use a single core, another game can use 4 cores. One game can use just a few features (and thus transitors) of your videocard, another game could use all transistors.
Start by downloading a HW monitior.
Like: (
http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php)
Keep an eye on your temperatures. Keep the application running while gaming, and when quiting the game, check out your temperature and max temperature. You might be able to check voltages too, but I'm not sure that'll work out correctly after you quit the game (or alt-tab).
june gloom on 2/12/2008 at 20:44
To clarify, when it rebooted, the first time it crashed like normal- i.e. out of nowhere and I was wandering the wastes- only instead of going to the desktop, it just froze, music still played, I hit escape, I saw a Windows error message in like 300x200 in 16 colours, closed out of it, PC rebooted.
Second time it happened, it didn't freeze, it was just loading the shopping market, but everything else- error message and reboot upon closing it, was like before.
If the PC just randomly rebooted with no warning ahead of time I would assume it was a hardware issue.
The reboots DID start after I'd done the disable ffdshow trick, by the way. Noticed morrowind.exe and oblivion.exe were in the exclude list as well, automatically.
I don't have trouble with other games.
Bho on 2/12/2008 at 21:39
Well, I'd like to add my voice to the complaints about stability - this game ctds more than Clear Sky for me! (I have the patch btw) It's not quite as bad as gothic 3 without the community patch, but pretty close.
EvaUnit02 on 3/12/2008 at 02:04
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Could you explain to me exactly how that's supposed to fix my CTDs?
Fallout 3 shipped with a broken version of the GfW Live redistributable. The wrong version of GfW Live can cause issues with games that support it.
june gloom on 3/12/2008 at 04:14
go go GfW.
Duly noted. I'll slap it in, but I think I'm going to pick up System Shock; it's about that time of year for me.
icemann on 3/12/2008 at 04:44
While the resetting issue sounds more hardware related than Fallout 3 related, the CTD and freezes have been happening to everyone practically, so it cant be hardware issues for everyone. The game just has alot of bugs. Bugs which will hopefully get fixed in time.
For me as soon as I updated my gfx card drivers 3/4 of the crashes went away. That one where the game would freeze but the music would keep playing being the most common one which was fixed by the driver update.
