klatremus on 24/2/2014 at 23:58
I was wondering, should we have a community cleanup and update fan missions with missing or unobtainable loot? I don't mean to imply I know how to do this, but I imagine that for someone with expertise it shouldn't be much of a problem. I noticed this was recently done with the Thief 2 Demo, but there are other missions out there that still need fixing. This is assuming the authors don't have anything against it. I'm not suggesting changing anything but the missing loot. If there are easy ways to do this, I'm not saying I wouldn't be opposed to giving it a go myself...
Missions that need fixing are:
T1 missionsAutumn in Lampfire Hillserror in olddark stats which state there is 4906 loot in game when there is actually only 4206 loot available (this error has been corrected in the Newdark version
Calendra's CisternTotal loot missing Olddark 25 / Newdark 40
Gold 25 (obj 1587) outside map
Purple goblet 15 (Obj 433 or obj 673) Newdark bug, Calendra should place a goblet onto a table after having drunk from it, but with Newdark this goblet disappears as she puts it down
note: this is an occasional bug that may have been corrected by a Voodoo dml fix (tbc)
Curse of the Ancients75 unobtainable gold. North of Salvador's house is a museum with several items on display, including 'Hammer of the Builder'. It looks like this item (obj.nr 132) is responsible for the missing 75 gold. It can't be picked up.
Fall of a Chookpurse (value 1g) on guard in inaccessible room at the start of the mission (obj 339)
Fiend, TheAmbient sound ???? (obj 977) value 100
Gauntlet, TheGemstone (obj 615) value 100.....impossible to get to as is a trap room that teleports you all the way back to the beginning of the mission....so yes its in the mission but impossible to frob
Hush...Hush, Sweet Harlot100 unobtainable gold. There is a sword guard (obj.nr 1413) at The Seamy Interlude pub that is supposed to be carrying a purse (obj.nr 1412), but he doesn't. Now, if 'autosearch bodies' had worked in Thief 1, then maybe we could have picked it up after knocking out the guard...
Informationpurse (value 100) / (obj 882) from chest in secret room, due to Newdark bug preventing secret door not opening when crayman head frobbed
note: fixed by Voodoo dml fix
The ItemGem Ring (value 100) / (obj 150) from spider area just after crawl space....out of map/buried in wall
Killing Time, The by Keeper...............Total missing loot
224all due to the fact that a set of doors in the dining room should automatically open once you have killed al the guards in the dining room, but they don't so the mission ends here
GoldCStick (168) value 50
SilverCoinStack (187) value 12
Purse (188) value 100
SilverCoinStack value 12
GoldCStick (208) value 50
LaFrenier, real criminal boss1590 missing loot...............in game stats says 1590 loot available but there is a STEAL NO LOOT objective so if you pick any if it up you will fail the mission (actually only 1540 is in game according to dromED)
Mines of Margroth T1 version
150 missing loot from 2 guards in market area 2 x purses (100 + 50)
OblivionSerpentiletorc (value 350) when playing via Newdark
note: should be now available due to Voodoo dml fix (tbc)
The Mage's Area Easy version v1.1
60 loot....missing Error in mission Stats, Dromed reports only 2792, in game stats show 2852
The OdiumGold Plate (value 50) from under the stairs (obj 479)
(also listed in first post by Klatremus)
Rigging the Votes2 x copper stack (value 10) out of map (objs 373 and 374)
Saving Private Rye Anne2 x gems (value 200) missing from face of water statue (obj's 682 & 683)
Temple of the Forgers2 x gold stack (value 50) , Dromed shows these items (objs 522 & 944) are in the 'trig-room' starting point
The Thieves' Quarter400 missing loot, tied to two unfrobbable fire-pokers in the tavern.
The Vigil150 goods missing. It's a canopic jar (obj.nr 93) located in a spot that I do not think the player can get to.
Quote:
No you cant it's is what i believe is called a 'blue room' where loads of loot/weapons are but is in-accessible from the map, and its floating it the air way above from what you could reach anyway
2 x Fine Wine (value 100) in in-accessible room at the start (objs 32 & 33)
Elevator Mission (both versions v1 & v2)
Jewelled Dagger value 145 in bugbeast room (obj 703), possibly due to a NewDark bug has has never been reported in threads
Hammer and GarrettGold plate (value 50g) from under the candlestick on the card table in the gaming room (obj 653)
Hells Motel 12 x gold vases (value 200g) in Hammer temple, un-frobbable...(obj 239 & obj 242)
Keeper of the BellRamirez ring (value 100) from footlocker in novices bedroom off dining area (obj 745)
Lord Alan's Basement1350 loot missing from normal and hard difficulty settings as the Mausoleum is not available on those settings
To Whom the Bell TollsGold Ring (value 110g) from footlocker in bedroom off dining room (obj 745)
Shadow of Doubt....part 1 Walking the Edge
Mage's Medallion (value 200g) (obj 677) out of map, it maybe hidden in the game somewhere but it is not linked to anything according to DromEd and i can not find it
Woodkey ResthouseTotal missing loot 295g.......3 x goblet (45) plus 3 x fine wine (150) on shelves in tavern (unfrobbable) plus 1 x purse (100g) (obj 311) out of map
T2 missionsAfter DarkGolden Ankh (value 50), as reported by IceBlade (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post2105515)
Calendra's Legacy: Midnight in Murkbell (Purah)
100 loot unobtainable, 2 masks embedded in museum walls.
Damsel in Distress25 unobtainable goods. 15 looks to be tied to a Mechanist statuette in the manor, ground floor, corridor N main entrance. This statuette acts like a switch for a trapdoor in the corridor (so it can't be picked up).
10 is tied to a decorative plate that should be in the bedroom in the NE, second floor of the manor. I am guessing here, but it could be that the mirror-like plate on the desk is a re-made decorative plate.
Dracula campaign - mission 2 - The Return (of Darkness and Evil)A silver nugget worth 30 gold in pond in clearing. There should be 5 in total (even (
http://users.atw.hu/sensut/dracular_lootlist.html) Sensut himself says so) but I can only find 4 (2 out in the pond, 2 embedded in cliff walls in the tunnels circling the edge of the pond).
Fletcher's Final Mistake100 gold missing. It's a gold nugget that seems to be far off from where the player can get to. Maybe it was planned to be teleported somewhere and then forgotten?
Ground Quest (Yohny C. Liar)
200 loot can not be obtained (sorry... no details)
Horns of Canzo 2, mission 1Total 550 unobtainable loot. 2 Drill Bits worth 250 each (near the shop) that are either
unfrobbable or unreachable and two store items worth 25 each that I think are counted in the loot total by mistake.
Informationpurse (value 100) / (obj 882) from chest in secret room, due to Newdark bug preventing secret door not opening when crayman head frobbed
Lord Alan's Basement (T2 version)40 missing goods tied to 4 unfrobbable grey bowls in window niches in the undead area
(the lowest floor, the one with a zombie).
The Mystery Man1600 missing loot, tied to four unfrobbable masks on the fountain in the garden.
Pirate's Ahoy, mission 4. In the end treasure cave area. There's 100 loot missing. Object number 463 is stuck in the ground.
The Search for Crom's Blade20 gold missing. It's a pair of scattered coins on the upper floor of Navicon's study.
TTLL suggests there should be 6 coins there (4+2 in two adjoining "cells", and the Lazy Taffer report shows those six coins to all have the exact same Z coordinate) but
I can only find 5 coins. Maybe the last one is inside a wall?
Obj.nr for the six coins are 1872, 1873, 1874, 1911, 1912 and 1913 (I don't know which of those six is the culprit).
Secret Breaking of a Pyramid (Zmey)
I recall 2 unfrobbable blue Lost City Gems attached to a bed for decorative purposes ...
and maybe one or two unfrobbable giant canopes in a room below the giant staircase within the pyramid.
Sisterhood of Azura 1, Estheridge200 gold missing, tied to three objects. At the weaponsmith, there is an unfrobbable gold hammer (obj nr 652) worth 75 gold on display. In the same shop, there should be a purse (obj nr 1161) worth 100 gold a bit W of the statuette on the office desk. Maybe it was supposed to be in the small locker where the weaponsmith's diary is, or on the workbench in the next room? Finally, there is a gold coinstack (obj nr 131) located a bit N and E of the weaponsmith's shop. I can't figure out where the heck that should be. From the FMs thread, it looks like someone figured out that this coinstack has the same problem as the missing goblet in Calendra's Cistern.
Sisterhood of Azura 2, The House50 gold is tied to an unfrobbable candlestick held by the Mother (Parents' bedroom, upper floor).
Stronghold300 loot missing. 250 of this is tied to 5 unfrobbable wine bottles (obj.nr 106, 107, 108, 1886 and 1906) and the remaining 50 is tied to a flute (obj.nr 741) that is located very close to the statuette and crystal in the water pit but slightly below them. I can not see it there and I have even tried the icon shrinking trick while pressed to the bottom of the pit. The flute may be located too low to be possible to reach.
Swamped100 missing loot is tied to an unfrobbable large red gem.
Torner Island200 gold missing, tied to four unfrobbable candlesticks on the altar with the cursed skull.
The Treasury100 loot missing. It's tied to an unfrobbable purple vase in the fancy bedroom with a safe.
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If anyone knows of other missions that need similar treatment, let me know and I'll add them to this post. Then I can cross them off the list if and when they get fixed. :D
gnartsch on 25/2/2014 at 00:29
Such a cleanup would be defintely appreciated.
In case anyone starts doing so, please check my Text-fixes for FM's as well !
(
http://www.gnartsch.de/Thief-FM/patches/Thief_text_patches.shtml)
(Calendras Legacy is on that list, as well as > 100 other missions)
Would be nice to see the missions in all their glory... with all loot ... and readable texts. ;)
jiansonz on 25/2/2014 at 07:11
A good idea. I can certainly add several missions to your list. Give me a couple of hours.
jiansonz on 25/2/2014 at 20:05
OK, here is a first batch. There are a couple more, but in some missions I miss so much that some of it is probably obtainable. More work/digging is needed.
What Lies Below and The Chain Project are especially challenging, partly because some parts are visit-one-time-only areas (loot hunters hate this!).
3. Bane II - Cult of the Damned100 loot is tied to an unfrobbable precursor mask in one of the bedrooms on the top floor.
4. Curse of the Ancients75 unobtainable gold. North of Salvador's house is a museum with several items on display, including 'Hammer of the Builder'. It looks like this item (obj.nr 132) is responsible for the missing 75 gold. It can't be picked up.
5. Damsel in Distress25 unobtainable goods. 15 looks to be tied to a Mechanist statuette in the manor, ground floor, corridor N main entrance. This statuette acts like a switch for a trapdoor in the corridor (so it can't be picked up).
10 is tied to a decorative plate that should be in the bedroom in the NE, second floor of the manor. I am guessing here, but it could be that the mirror-like plate on the desk is a re-made decorative plate.
6. Dark Messiah25 gold missing. A coin worth 5 (obj.nr 1052) and a pair of scattered coins worth 20 (obj.nr 1054). From the looks of it, they were meant to be laying on the corner furniture in the office (with ladder) downstairs in the Church of Bassilus.
7. Dracula campaign - mission 2 - The Return (of Darkness and Evil)A silver nugget worth 30 gold in pond in clearing. There should be 5 in total (even (
http://users.atw.hu/sensut/dracular_lootlist.html) Sensut himself says so) but I can only find 4 (2 out in the pond, 2 embedded in cliff walls in the tunnels circling the edge of the pond).
8. Fletcher's Final Mistake100 gold missing. It's a gold nugget that seems to be far off from where the player can get to. Maybe it was planned to be teleported somewhere and then forgotten?
9. Horns of Canzo 2, mission 1Total 550 unobtainable loot. 2 Drill Bits worth 250 each (near the shop) that are either
unfrobbable or unreachable and two store items worth 25 each that I think are counted in the loot total by mistake.
10. Hush...Hush, Sweet Harlot100 unobtainable gold. There is a sword guard (obj.nr 1413) at The Seamy Interlude pub that is supposed to be carrying a purse (obj.nr 1412), but he doesn't. Now, if 'autosearch bodies' had worked in Thief 1, then maybe we could have picked it up after knocking out the guard...
11. Lord Alan's Basement (T2 version)40 missing goods tied to 4 unfrobbable grey bowls in window niches in the undead area
(the lowest floor, the one with a zombie).
12. Mansion of Chaos125 loot missing, a tiara located close to the middle of the mansion complex. It may actually be obtainable but the mansion layout is very confusing and I have not been able to navigate to the required spot with the help of TTLL and some of the neighbouring loot pieces.
13. Sisterhood of Azura 2, The House50 gold is tied to an unfrobbable candlestick held by the Mother (Parents' bedroom, upper floor).
14. Stronghold300 loot missing. 250 of this is tied to 5 unfrobbable wine bottles (obj.nr 106, 107, 108, 1886 and 1906) and the remaining 50 is tied to a flute (obj.nr 741) that is located very close to the statuette and crystal in the water pit but slightly below them. I can not see it there and I have even tried the icon shrinking trick while pressed to the bottom of the pit. The flute may be located too low to be possible to reach.
15. Swamped100 missing loot is tied to an unfrobbable large red gem.
16. The Mystery Man1600 missing loot, tied to four unfrobbable masks on the fountain in the garden.
17. The Search for Crom's Blade20 gold missing. It's a pair of scattered coins on the upper floor of Navicon's study.
TTLL suggests there should be 6 coins there (4+2 in two adjoining "cells", and the Lazy Taffer report shows those six coins to all have the exact same Z coordinate) but
I can only find 5 coins. Maybe the last one is inside a wall?
Obj.nr for the six coins are 1872, 1873, 1874, 1911, 1912 and 1913 (I don't know which of those six is the culprit).
18. The Thieves' Quarter400 missing loot, tied to two unfrobbable fire-pokers in the tavern.
19. The Treasury100 loot missing. It's tied to an unfrobbable purple vase in the fancy bedroom with a safe.
20. The Widow's Ire - mission 1 - Valley of the Burned140 loot difference between what I have found and what the stats quote as max loot. It seems like 70 of this is tied to an unfrobbable gear (obj.nr 1053) in the guardhouse, and that its value got added instead of subtracted (hence the difference of 140). There was, however, one player that wrote in the mission's thread that he/she could pick up this gear. So two things need fixing: 1) make sure the gear will be frobbable (at least after you have pulled the switch so the mechanism stops) for all players and 2) lower the reported max loot by 70.
21. The Vigil150 goods missing. It's a canopic jar (obj.nr 93) located in a spot that I do not think the player can get to. In TTLL terms, it's in one cell S and two cells W the tiara on Ambrose's tomb (and one cell E, one cell N and one cell up from the candlestick on the chapel altar). Someone could try to "fly" to those coordinates in DromEd and see if you can find it.
22. Torner Island200 gold missing, tied to four unfrobbable candlesticks on the altar with the cursed skull.
gnartsch on 25/2/2014 at 23:40
23. Secret Breaking of a Pyramid (Zmey)
I recall 2 unfrobbable blue Lost City Gems attached to a bed for decorative purposes ...
and maybe one or two unfrobbable giant canopes in a room below the giant staircase within the pyramid.
24. Ground Quest (Yohny C. Liar)
200 loot can not be obtained (sorry... no details)
klatremus on 26/2/2014 at 00:00
Thanks! I added your missions to the initial post. More organized that way. Hopefully, someone can add their 2 cents on how to actually fix them. :)
Ricebug on 26/2/2014 at 03:30
It would help if the object numbers for the loot items were included. Otherwise, it will take some time tracking it all down.
A few years ago, I suggested doing something similar, such as fixing textures, bad objects, etc, in old FMs. While most responded favorably, no one volunteered to take up the challenge. The other issue of preserving the author's work "as is" also came up.
If I had the time, I'd start with 1999 and fix every mission, updating them to New Dark standards and fixing the various problems, if any existed.
klatremus on 26/2/2014 at 05:37
I was thinking of preserving the original work also. There is a certain charm in that, despite the intended changes being for the betterment of the mission. However, missing loot (and perhaps also broken objectives) just seemed like such an essential factor I wouldn't imagine any author opposing.
If there was an easy way to explain how to figure out the loot object numbers, I could certainly do that for some of the missions. Unfortunately, I have played but a fraction of the ones on this list. Most are contributions from other players.
fortuni on 26/2/2014 at 08:19
Quote Posted by Ricebug
If I had the time, I'd start with 1999 and fix every mission, updating them to New Dark standards and fixing the various problems, if any existed.
your idea of fixing missions, updating them to NewDark standards would be very much be appreciated, esp a T1 fm i thought was a classic....Oblivion...although a number of people on its thread didnt like it even hated it, it is a fan mission that really could benefit from a new life as it is impossible to finish it at the present when run with new dark
im sure it is too big a job for one person to trawl through every T1/TG fm to update them but if someone with such skills
offered to update a small no of older fms, the community could between them choose/select the best of the older fms that deserved a reboot.......
i vote for Oblivion
jiansonz on 26/2/2014 at 08:51
I think I can dig up loot object numbers for most of the missions. I'll edit my post as I go.
