Beltzer on 4/7/2013 at 23:01
I have a weird problem. My new fm was ready for beta, but when i tried it in darkloader it crashes after a short while.
I thought i try FM selector too. Then it got worse. Almost all windows are gone, even the ais who patrols outside disappear
in some positions. Nobody have a clue? :confused:
I had no problems at all in dromed, just that some objects not got rendered in some positions. Most of the time the railings.
But never the windows. I have a lot of windows in a four floor hight mansion. Could that be the problem?
I tried with that many windows because it wend fine in dromed.
Anyway, any ideas? Do i have to delete all the windows?
Are there any info file for darkloader or thief like the one in dromeds monolog?
MysteryMan on 4/7/2013 at 23:15
Quote Posted by Beltzer
I have a weird problem. My new fm was ready for beta, but when i tried it in darkloader it crashes after a short while.
I thought i try FM selector too. Then it got worse. Almost all windows are gone, even the ais who patrols outside disappear
in some positions. Nobody have a clue? :confused:
I had no problems at all in dromed, just that some objects not got rendered in some positions. Most of the time the railings.
But never the windows. I have a lot of windows in a four floor hight mansion. Could that be the problem?
I tried with that many windows because it wend fine in dromed.
Anyway, any ideas? Do i have to delete all the windows?
Are there any info file for darkloader or thief like the one in dromeds monolog?
Edit:Can you play other fms using Darkloader, and fmselector?
When you have the crash, your fm folders are probably still remaining in your Thief directory. Clean those up.
In your "fms" folder that fm selector uses to refer to the fms you play, you can safely delete it.
Un-install Darkloader, then run your fm through fmselector. fmselector will create a new fms folder. If it works now, you know it was a conflict with Darkloader.
If you are still having issues with your windows, or anything being rendered.
In dromed:Right lower command window: Show_Stats
Go in game, and move around, then record everything being monitored, then post here.
Edit: what you need to pay attention to is the object counts hidden, and not hidden. There is a limit to the number of objects allowed in the camera's view, although I think it is quite high in NewDark.
Beltzer on 5/7/2013 at 09:08
Thanks for the tips.
Before i do something with darkloader i show the stats:
(
http://www.mediafire.com/view/jce0ew6ut4b8187/stats.jpg)
Inline Image:
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/45ce/jce0ew6ut4b81874g.jpgI looked up on all the windows. But when the game crashed from darkloader
i looked straight forward, visible objects was around 200 in that view.
I could take a screenshot of that too if you want.
I read somewhere that in newdark the visible objects could be up to 1200,
is that correct?
*EDIT*
This is weird. I walked around some more. After i uninstalled darkloader
and deleted the FMs folder in thief directory. I started fm selector and it
made a new FMs folder, i chose the fms path and restarted.
As i said, i walked some more. I went inside the mansion and all the objects
is gone, i just saw one or two :wot:
Could it be something with the files in the zip? Something missing?
MysteryMan on 5/7/2013 at 13:06
Quote Posted by Beltzer
Thanks for the tips.
Before i do something with darkloader i show the stats:
(
http://www.mediafire.com/view/jce0ew6ut4b8187/stats.jpg)
Inline Image:
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/45ce/jce0ew6ut4b81874g.jpgI looked up on all the windows. But when the game crashed from darkloader
i looked straight forward, visible objects was around 200 in that view.
I could take a screenshot of that too if you want.
I read somewhere that in newdark the visible objects could be up to 1200,
is that correct?
*EDIT*
This is weird. I walked around some more. After i uninstalled darkloader
and deleted the FMs folder in thief directory. I started fm selector and it
made a new FMs folder, i chose the fms path and restarted.
As i said, i walked some more. I went inside the mansion and all the objects
is gone, i just saw one or two :wot:
Could it be something with the files in the zip? Something missing?
The max objects visible is 1280. Visible object fragments are equal to visible objects, so that may be the problem. Rehidden objects at 255 tells me the engine is trying to compensate .The engine will hide objects in order to compensate visible objects. Backchecks seems high.
Are your objects that vanish, are they white or black wedges? Or, simply gone?
If they were just wedges, then it is an obj.crf problem, but if not then, you may have to get rid of some of your windows, just to experiment with the visible object limit.
Another option is to increase obj_id_space, but the limit for concrete objects is 8192, so probably won't do any good.
Another quick way to find out, is to send the fm zip to anybody, and have them play it through Darkloader, and fmselector to see if it is a rendering problem with your video card.
Beltzer on 5/7/2013 at 13:25
The objects is totally gone when i run it through fm selector. No windows, no doors, no other objects. I saw one object, that was a non custom table. The mansion is almost empty. I could try to delete the windows. But why would everything disappear in fm selector, but not in darkloader. And what about dromed game mode, it never crashed.
Sure i could send it to someone, anyone have the time to help me, and have
dromed 1.19 installed. I would be grateful.
MysteryMan on 5/7/2013 at 14:19
Quote Posted by Beltzer
The objects is totally gone when i run it through fm selector. No windows, no doors, no other objects. I saw one object, that was a non custom table. The mansion is almost empty. I could try to delete the windows. But why would everything disappear in fm selector, but not in darkloader. And what about dromed game mode, it never crashed.
Sure i could send it to someone, anyone have the time to help me, and have
dromed 1.19 installed. I would be grateful.
I am registered at Shalebridge. If you would add me to your usergroup, then pm a link to me there, I will be more than happy to run your fm through Darkloader v4.3, and New Dark fm-selector v1.19
Beltzer on 5/7/2013 at 14:23
Ok, sounds good :)
But i have not asked for a usergroup yet. Maybe its time for that.
But i could send a download link in a pm here.
MysteryMan on 5/7/2013 at 14:28
Quote Posted by Beltzer
Ok, sounds good :)
But i have not asked for a usergroup yet. Maybe its time for that.
But i could send a download link in a pm here.
okay,you can send it to my ttlg pm.
Beltzer on 5/7/2013 at 18:32
Now i have tried some things, nothing helps.
MysteryMan has tried it with both darkloader and fm selector with no problem.
I have tried to reinstall darkloader, but same thing. When i looked closer with
Darkloader i saw that it is the same as with fmsel. Almost all objects is gone,
the ones i see, i can walk through. The ones i cant see casts shadows anyway.
I can play other fms, but not my own. Any ideas?
I could try to reinstall thief2 too.
*EDIT*
It is not going well for me today. Cant even uninstall Thief 2.
I use a second install on my e: for playing fms. And the first
install on c: just for dromed.
I have no uninstall file in the install folder. Guess i cant use
the uninstall when i go to program on the control panel. I guess
thief on c: uninstalls if i do so.
Can i just delete the thief folder? Is it something else to delete
if i do that. Just problems today, maybe time to go to bed early
tonight.
*EDIT2*
This keeps getting better and better :eww:
I just zipped the thief2 folder just in case. Then i installed a new Thief2 copy with tafferpatcher.
But all the same. This FM just hates my computer now. It is just dromed who likes it.
Please, any ideas are welcomed.
Sensut on 5/7/2013 at 21:02
OK, if you send me a link I can try it. I have 12 Thief2 installations with and without dromed and new dark, let me see how it is going, if you want.
