Galaer on 24/10/2021 at 11:13

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MORTUOS LIBER CAMPAIGN

MISSION 1 - THE BOOK

EMPTY CITY

At the beginning city is pretty empty and AI is neutral. This will end when you visit Armorer's Shop, so I'm gonna leave it for later and first loot how many houses I can. I will not have access to rope arrow though as it is in Barracks in City Watch and it's door is unfrobbable until you visit Armorer. There is 6 crates that you need for this part (4 are in Sewers and 2 in one of houses). Speaking of Sewers there are mini spiders there, but they are neutral, so you can ignore them. Also in City Watch there is a way to turn off light by damaging generator fuse with screwdriver, but that's damage property plus it summons 2 patrollers and sheriff, so it's actually harder to ghost empty so far City Watch.

4 crates you need to get to balcony near Mechanist House without rope arrow. 2 crates you need to enter and exit Mansion, but first you must get Hook from one of warehouses. This Hook will remove invisible wall around Mansion. The intended way to get over Mansion fence is to use Hook on wire. As a result of cutscene outside guard will get KO-ed. To prevent that I'm using stack of 2 crates. To exit I need to take 2 crates from the other side of fence and do a stack on top of gras slope. Then just strafe jump and mantle on fence. When you are in garden outside guard will start noticing you. To enter and exit house you must be very quick. Thanks to that you will get earlier code to safe and Sheriff's ring. Thanks to code you will get Door Handle. After looting city just go to Armorer's Shop fort Wrench and sword.

LEAVING CITY

You can leave city now, but there is couple of guards that spawn with purses and Barracks to check for rope arrow and more loot. Most of purses is easy to get. The most problematic is guard with purse under stairs near murder scene. You can very quickly go along Tavern's wall or rope up to balcony and jump+mantle to terrace. Afterwards go through Sewers to Armorer and leave city.

HAUNTED HOUSE

At the Cemetery you must cut 3 branches with Saw to get to portal. Then at Haunted House you must destroy mirror (ghost bust #1). This must be done as it is requirement for Mortuos Liber book to spawn. And we must to destroy it in creative way - by playing high pitch sound from victrola. Then you must return back to city and back to this house.

In house you will get objective of creating Talisman of Life. One of diamonds for it is in newly available room. I mossed floor near hole, because later corridor will be patrolled by haunt and it's very easy to make noise when going through this parts of wall lying on floor. 2nd diamond is on roof. To get down you can drop on west rock. 3rd part is in fireplace and last is in basement. After taking it you must go along barrels, because soon will fall on floor lying zombie and you really don't want to touch and wake him up. Because of executioner patrolling 1st floor you need to leave via window.

Then you return to Cemetery and use talisman on corpse. Then you need to throw Mortuos Liber at it, which spawn 2 haunts at Cemetery. Going through Cemetery while hiding from there is quite tricky. That's why I'm throwing book while standing in shadow near portal. You enter Haunted House through window again and go on 2nd floor for Scepter. Getting it is easy, getting out is harder. That's the reason I used moss arrow earlier. Use Scepter on claw and mage will appear and destroy door of his room and also kill every enemy AI. I'm guessing that this is also the reason why I scored Body Discovery in my stats. Or maybe the reason is murder person in city. Return to your room to finish this mission.

STATS:

Time: 1:14:57; Loot: 4839/5154
Pockets Picked: 4/6; Locks Picked: 26
Back Stabs: 0; Knock Outs: 0
Damage Dealt: 0; Damage Taken: 0; Healing Taken: 0
Innocents killed: 0; Others killed: 0
Iron Beasts Destroyed: 0; Disabled: 0
Bodies Discovered by Enemies: 1
Secrets: 0/0

GHOST: IMPOSSIBLE

Galaer on 24/10/2021 at 11:16

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MALAZAR'S INSCRUTABLE TOWER

This is a puzzle mission with blackjack, which vanishes from inventory after entering Tower. Most of enemies are living statues. If you look at them, they can't move. This can be used when you make some noise or you will be seen. Just find shadow or go very far while still looking at statue. Eventually it will calm down. It was discussed that this abuse is allowed for regular ghost as it leaves no indication of alert (statues don't talk or make any other noise).

TOWER

First challenge is 1st living statue. In order to progress you must shoot window's lock (ghost bust #1), then mantle on it, quickly turn towards statue and move backwards to not fall back into corridor. Then hide on ledge while having only part of statue visible. Wait couple of minutes for it to calm down. Interesting thing is that statue still has idle animation just like when it's not alerted. Rest of statues is much easier to deal, but soon we will return to 1st living statue as we must drop into pool and quickly grab Ring of Dispelling floating in air. To avoid visible alert you must drop from south side while looking north. Wait in pool for couple of minutes for statue to calm down.

With Ring of Dispelling you can destroy barriers with stone Pagan faces behind. While Pagan face walls should count as made by human, I don't count that as damage property, because the way it vanishes suggests that stone face is just illusion. For example in place of stone face in garden appears metal door.

Lava cave may be tricky. Ifrit sometimes usually look at ladder, but sometimes randomly can look into opposite direction and spot you even though he shouldn't. Later you will return to this cave to destroy Ifrit. To get to ladder I used invisibility potion. Then I poured water on Ifrit, which killed him (ghost bust #2) and allowed me to get Golem's Head. To get out from Dining Room you must destroy 2 lower wooden planks (ghost bust #3).

ICE CASTLE

This is the trickiest area. Here are ice golems and a bit darker tile are falling tiles. If you stand on them you get glued to them and fall into pit below. It works the same on enemies. First go right. You must jump from bridge on right ledge, then go to corner on the right of ice golem, crouch and go into room. Run along right wall for 2 coin stacks and return the same way on ledge. Jump over dark tiles to nugget. To return on bridge you must do tricky strafe jump over falling tile to edge of ledge, which will drop you towards pit. To save yourself you must mantle on bridge.

Before you go left, you need to have 2 water arrows with you. There is 5 water arrows in total. 3 are used for magic beans vines. There are 2 water arrows in shower and 3 in ruins (1 in waterfall and 2 in water). Now you need to do tricky strafe jump+mantle from bridge to ledge after falling tile. Then go inside left passage. There you must strafe jump over falling wooden platform. 2nd floor is much easier. Going behind ice golem is easy and to ghost ice golem near ladder you must douse 2 torches. The rest of the mission is easy.

STATS:

Time: 1:59:22; Loot: 4460/4850
Pockets Picked: 0/0; Locks Picked: 0
Back Stabs: 0; Knock Outs: 0
Damage Dealt: 0; Damage Taken: 0; Healing Taken: 6
Innocents killed: 0; Others killed: 0
Iron Beasts Destroyed: 0; Disabled: 0
Secrets: 0/0

GHOST: IMPOSSIBLE

Galaer on 25/10/2021 at 18:03

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Where exactly? I also checked rules and I didn't notice anything about triggering scripts by using switches being forbidden. It wouldn't make too much sense to block them as sometimes simple opening door can lead to triggering some script, some other time you use switch to open exit door and fight starts between 2 factions.

Also does that mean that using switch to activate Gem of Oldorf, which alert other AI, in mission 1 is also a bust? And also in mission 2 you unlock cell and this way you free spiders that also attack enemies? Is that also a bust, because you don't trigger them through conversation?

Galaer on 31/10/2021 at 20:22

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RUINS OF ORIGINIA

MISSION 1: MINES OF MARGROTH

Originally I didn't plan to ghost this mission, but it's impossible to complete loot objective in mission 2 without playing this mission. I watched klatremus supreme ghost run of this mission, so I decided to look for different strategies of some parts, especially for opening Viper VI gate without blasting it. This mission focuses on manipulating fights between AIs for your advantage and also on custom enemies. Some of them has long range of view and can see in darkness. There is a lot of other obstacles you need to beat too.

MINING TOWN

This part of mission is very similar to klatremus' run. I also move boulder by throwing rock at it to get Barracks key. As for thieves attack, after triggering it I run under stairs and wait there to grab purses, then I run into corner under window and wait there. To help thieves survive, I'm dousing torches in places where they are, so enemies will have problem spotting them. After couple of tries I managed to manipulate fight to become victory for thieves. Then I looted this area. Crate on market stand containing diamonds wasn't destroyed, so I can't grab them.

HAMMERITE HQ

Here is difference with klatremus' run. In my run entrance guard and 2 civilians died inside and guards and Hammerites are in search mode because of that. There is no bodies of killers though. What happened is probably townsfolk ran into Barracks to hide from thieves, thieves ran after them and while door was opened entrance guard was involved into battle. Also patrolling marketplace archers weren't involved into battle and survived. I turned off light and doused torches. This way I could move corpses into shadow, so enemy AI could finally calm down. I also doused torches near Vault. I can't open secret passage in church, because it requires fire arrows and explosions 2nd alert fire elementals.

So my idea of clearing this place was to loot it first, then activate Gem of Oldorf and quickly kill it with holy water arrows, so Hammerites will not get alerted and I won't be needing to relay on RNG. The hardest are Hammerites rooms. I mossed corridor and closed doors. You are safe from patroller under wall between doors. 2 rooms are easy - you only need 1 moss arrow, but for other 2 you must go to chest, so you need 1 more moss arrow to shoot at the place near chest where Hammerites turn around. Walk behind them and dodge them from the left. While dodging keep moving forward, because their turn is sharp. Grab loot from chest and walk behind them to door. Open entrance to Mine and read scroll that spawn Gem of Oldorf and opens Vault.

GEM OF OLDORF

Gem of Oldorf is 1st enemy who can see in darkness. It shoots with blinding shots that doesn't damage us, but alerts enemies and magic missiles that can kill AI. It only alerts when it spots someone or to loud noise. Unlike other enemies, it doesn't alert when it gets hurt. So you can use holy water arrows to kill it and take gem. It will only 1st alert to sound of holy water arrow hitting it. Also Gem of Oldorf watch church, so you can go from entrance. In my ghost run Gem of Oldorf saw 2 patrollers and killed them. I waited for it to calm down, then went to entrance to Vault and killed it with 2 holy water arrows. Gem only 1st alerted to 1st arrow hitting it.

TO CATACOMBS

First you need to go to Mine, so go to Miners Residence. To Catacombs you need to bring 3 objects: normal size rock and 2 crates. Rock is located in Mining Town, crates are in dark storage in Miners Residence. To cross bugbeast woman you must run through fly swarm along right wall, crouch and continue along right wall. This leads to 1st alert from her. In Mine disarm mine and go through wooden beams. Bring objects to Viper VI gate in Hall of Lost Heroes.

CATACOMBS

Commoners Tombs are patrolled by wisp. If it will spot you, it will fire blinding shots at you and spawn cyclop ghosts and haunt. You want to avoid it at all cost. Merchants Tombs are patrolled by zombies. Here are 3 rooms: 1st has generator (needed for later), 2nd has 2 skulls protected by 2 mines and 3rd has spiders. Past spider room is room protected by invisible mine. I'm playing with dml fix, but still Gem of Oldorf doesn't make it visible. Disarm it and take loot. In Halls of Sorrow there are 4 urns at the center. Zombies are easy to avoid. Stairs up leads to glass, but this area is protected by 2 air elementals that see perfectly well in darkness.

In Well of Lost Souls is side room with chest and near well is small size rock. Don't throw it into well yet. Instead you must bring it to Viper VI gate. Go to 3 lying zombies room. You can walk to middle zombie. It will 1st alert, but weirdly enough zombies will not wake up. Return with rock to Viper VI gate in Hall of Lost Heroes.

VIPER VI GATE

Opening this gate is crucial for completing this mission, because it opens path to Ancient Ruins where Bantar is located. The intended way to open it is to use generator. But you need to use speed potion to get in time to gate and afterwards 2 red crystals will blow up. Since they are powered up by generator, they count as property. This explosion will also turn off power and close gate.

Klatremus's solution was to blast gate with explosive device and he excused that because you can close this gate with lever inside. But I think this lever just opens/closes gate. I know it's possible to bash unlocked wooden door to make them open. This still results in destruction of lock, so you can't use key to lock/unlock door. And since this gate has visible lock I decided to check if there is other method of opening this gate without any damage property or any explosion. And I actually found 2 methods.

METHOD #1

In Hall of Lost Heroes there are 2 kinds of gate. Opened by lockpicks gate has superior strength and it can't be blocked by anything including Garrett's body. Unfrobbable gates are weaker. You can block them with Garrett's body. Most of objects will be pushed outside, but I found out that you can block this gate by using normal size rock or Big Blue Geode (created from grey rock destruction). But here is another problem - gate opens towards inside and you need to push it far enough for it to block gate and create large enough gap for you to enter.

For this reason I brought here 2 crates, normal size rock and small rock. Put small rock on stone plaque, then put stack of 2 crates in front of plaque. Save and throw normal size rock on gate. It should fall and get stuck on area between gate and crates. If rock stand on crates, reload. Also don't save after throwing rock, because after reload it's possible for rock to move slightly and fall on small rock. Also be careful to not throw rock too many times on crates, because it destroys them much faster than throwing crates.

Go to generator and turn it on for around 15-20 seconds. The idea is that gate will open and normal size rock will fall on small rock, bounce out of it and land far enough to create large gap for us to pass through. Return to gate. If it opened big enough, then move crates to the side and quickly jump over rock. The reason is that gate will move slightly to shorten gap, so you must be fast enough to squeeze through it. I may sound it that this setup is easy to pull it of, but even after figuring out the setup, it took me around 2 hours to execute it correctly.

METHOD #2

This method is unreliable, it's entirely based on luck. That's why I don't use it. But since it happened to me once during my test run, I'm gonna mention it. You don't need any object for that. You just need to turn on generator for around 15-20 seconds and turn it off. Sometimes it doesn't deactivate all red crystals. It's possible that Hall of Lost Heroes will be still powered up, but since generator is disable, power doesn't go forward and explosions of 2 red crystals can be avoided. Gate will stay open. Though I didn't check what's happening with it after reloading. I couldn't repeat this glitch to open gate. Twice I managed to disable generator with couple of red crystals powered up. I don't know the timing, I don't know why it's happening, but after opening gate you can block it with rock and then quickly turn on and off generator to turn off lights.

HALL OF LOST HEROES

Thanks to entering Viper VI's Tomb I can open passage to Ancient Ruins. After every reload gate will try to close and slightly push rock outside. After 2-3 reloads gap leading inside will be too small to get inside, so be careful with saving. Also for some reason every reload of game causes massive slowdown for 5 seconds. I don't know why.

Time to loot this place. Every golden skull summons 1 haunt. These haunts amke 2nd alerts noises even though they aren't alerted. This noise can 2nd alert zombies though. That's why I must skip Dark Angel's and Questorus' skulls, because haunts spawn at exits from Hall very close to patrolling zombies. Tuhoti's and Caeyr's skulls summons the same haunt in north corridor. He can be nudged into Larson's Tomb. After summoning haunt, 2nd skull is free. I was tired and there is slowdown after reloads, I decided to skip these 2 skulls. Also I don't want to worry about Viper VI's gate, so I decided to skip this skull as well. So in order I took skulls from Totality's, Larson's, Belboz's, Apache's and XaraX's Tombs.

FISH TANK

Ancient Maps are protected by burrick that can see in darkness. Use small switch to enter corridor with mushrooms rooms and light rats. In most of rooms is 1 golden mushroom. Go to the place where small diamond lies on floor. Above you is room near Fish Tank. You can't visit it from above as stationary golden fishes will spot you and start circling around. That's the indication that they spot you.They are homing fishes exploding at contact. They can see perfectly in darkness, so you can't even lean from full shadow into room with Fish Tank without getting spotted. Because of that you must skip crystal heart at the bottom of Fish Tank.

From where small diamond was you can mantle to ledge above. Here are 2 diamonds. Go near red crystal and stack potions to mantle on it. Here is loot in hidden niche. Now you must jump and mantle into corner away from walls and strafe run through icy slope. Use icy slope to avoid fly swarm and open chest. Then return downstairs.

ANCIENT RUINS

This part has patrolling cyclops. In warehouse open 2nd chest and mantle over wooden fence to switch behind cyclop. Then go to center rooms to throw Gem of Oldorf to activate switches. Be careful as cyclops can hear it.. then use water arrow to activate switch in warehouse and next water arrow to open path to vent. I shot 4 rope arrows under vent, so when I later drop down, I will bounce out of ropes and not get hurt. Open vent and look up to grab rope. Here are 2 potions. Go very slowly to corner behind ratman, nudge him slightly and enter Throne Room.

THRONE ROOM

Trigger conversation between thieves and Bantar and then douse fire and 2 torches. Go slowly along right wall to corner under throne platform. After conversation fight starts. My priority is for archer to kill Bantar as he can see perfectly well in darkness. For that I must manipulate situation with saves and loads, so archer will destroy Bantar's shots. Unlike klatremus run Bantar doesn't fall down and wisp joins the fight and after Bantar's death, it gets shot couple of times by archer. Because of that wisp will fly randomly, it isn't in purple state yet (escape mode). Bantar's death trigger 2 ratmen and caveman to come to Throne Room, so new fight will start. Ratmen easily killed melee thief and went for archer, then caveman joined in and killed everyone with 1 fireball. I waited 5 min for him to calm down.

Wisp is flying under ceiling, so I manipulated him to return behind throne, then I jumped for Bantar's Amulet. I don't think wisp can hear anything as there was no him coming to me. I think it can only alert by seeing me. Now I went into underwater tunnel. Walls of it are made out of blue ice, which hurts. I went first for water and gas arrows. Then is very tough strafe swim to Bantar's platform. Here is chest and Guild Maps. And no wisp. Wisp is below platform. I dropped back into corner I was hidden before and manipulated wisp to return behind throne, then I left this area and returned to Catacombs.

RETURN TO CATACOMBS

Not much to do here. I took skulls of Datoyminaytah and Shgadowspawn. Then I brought small rock back to Well of Lost Souls and threw it in center. This spawns Whistling Stone, then I roped down and dropped to the bottom of well for potions. Time to leave Catacombs and return to Mine.

MINE

From entrance to Catacombs I went behind shadow burrick and used most of moss arrows on gravel to quickly go past other shadow burricks. I needed to use invisibility potion for that. At the end I mantled over 2 wooden planks and used flare to destroy grey blocks. Sometimes it destroys them with 1 hit, sometimes it needs couple of hits. Open door when there is no headless creature behind as they can go into search mode if they hear sound of opening door. Their path is semi random, but you can't manipulate it with saves and loads. When they go left, run right to metal box with rope arrows hidden behind grey boulder. Return to door and go left to lava ice area. Shoot 6 rope arrows to get through it.

Shadow Burricks Cave is easy to ghost as there is a lot of shadow and shadow burricks aren't that good in seeing in darkness. Still I got stuck in one spot, because burrick kept noticing me, but I think they get more sensitive if they 1st alert to me. 2nd headless creature area is more complicated, but there is a lot of shadow and creatures can get stuck in one spot of this area. Afterwards is icy area with glass leading to next area. Unfortunately you are forced to destroy this glass to proceed (ghost bust #1).

MAZE

First go left for crystal, then go straight. Here is square room at the middle. To get to chest you must to bash open 2 doors. That's why I'm skipping it. Next is vent with mana seed. If you use holy water arrow on it, climbable tree will grow, but it creates fireball, which alerts enemies. So I can't use it in this mission. Go to Shrine.

SHRINE

This place is the last challenge. Here are 2 wisps, patrolling ape and stationary ratman. One wisp is flying around room and other is flying in random direction. Both wisps are super sensitive. To avoid being spotted by them you must crouch in natural shadow, be without weapon and not move until they will vanish from your line of sight. If they will spot you, then other enemies will go into search mode and wisps will try to shoot you with their blinding shots. It's convenient for random wisp to not fly up, because there is hidden area with 4 gas arrows and 2 chests.

I'm going along left wall, wait for wisp to go behind wall, then run behind stationary. Then my strategy is the same as klatremus'. Moss center wall and stack items to climb up, then do quick strafe jump with mantling on red ledge. Higher area has ice floor with holes. You must drop and mantle to the other side and jump forward to not fall. While mantling you can get spotted by wisps flying below, so be careful. To return down I mossed floor behind ratman and dropped on him. But I bounced off him a bit forward, so moss wasn't needed. I took items and dropped to garden to shoot rope arrow into target above Pit.

You can rope up from hole by shooting into green wall. Return scared me a bit as random wisp float above center structure and I couldn't climb to ratman for couple of minutes. After he vanished I climbed up and went along left wall back to glass. This time I took right corridor leading to Pit. Here you need to shoot 2 rope arrows in targets. There is one more useless target in SW corner of Pit. Ignore it and climb down ropes to fall into Pit, which will teleport you to next rope and finally to exit.

STATS:

Time: 3:21:34; Loot: 9548/12862
Pockets Picked: 9/25; Locks Picked: 18
Back Stabs: 0; Knock Outs: 0
Damage Dealt: 0; Damage Taken: 0; Healing Taken: 0
Innocents killed: 0; Others killed: 0
Iron Beasts Destroyed: 0; Disabled: 0
Bodies Discovered by Enemies: 6
Secrets: 0/0

GHOST: IMPOSSIBLE

klatremus on 1/11/2021 at 03:14

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Mission 1
Great work here, and I'm happy to read your take on this mission. Glad you finally ghosted it. A couple of things:

1. During the thieves/guards fight you say you doused lights in order for the thieves to win. This is what I would call clear manipulation of the fight and is talked about in the rules, similar to opening a door to make enemies spot each other. It's funny, because this is what you said I had done when we discussed this earlier, though I never opened a door or doused any torches. You even use the word "manipulate" in your report.

2. I love the extra method of getting into the Viper VI tomb. Though you say I destroyed the lock on the door when I used the explosive charge. Why? Nothing was broken on the gate. It worked like before, it could be closed and opened with the inside lever. It could even be opened again with the generator and when closed it stayed shut. The gate doesn't frob or even highlight, and there is no key assigned to it, so there is no lock on that door. I know the texture of the door shows a keyhole, but there is no visible change in the functionality of the lock. The rule says: "Visible damage is when the object is destroyed or appears to be in a different condition than before." When you close the gate after blowing it open there is no way to tell I ever used an explosive charge, so no visible damage.

Mission 2
This is awesome Galaer! I will definitely try approaching Bantar's lair going up the ramp with the boulder trap like you did (perhaps not, see edit below). Also I will try destroying the boulders with the flares. I will probably make a part 2 to my video and show this, and of course credit you.

1. As far as the monolith is concerned, you will still not convince me this isn't property. Even if like you claim it is a natural crystal that hasn't been modified by any intelligent creature (which I still think it has), it has clearly been placed here on top of the red metal monument for a specific reason: in order to magically seal the entrance to Bantar's lair. Example: If I go out in nature and find 10 nice looking square rocks and place them next to and on top of each other to make a stone wall in my back yard, then if someone comes along and smashes 5 of those rocks, can they say they haven't destroyed my property? Of course they have! It is a configuration deliberately created by me for a specific purpose, to create a wall and block an entrance, exactly like in the mission. It doesn't matter if those rocks are natural objects and haven't been shaped by me.

2. Also, I don't think you have understood the proper use of the script rule. The point is to excuse enemy behavior triggered outside of Garrett being see or heard. The rules even says this: "AI behaviors caused by programmed scripts and not caused by Garrett's being seen or heard, are allowed." And: "Melees that occur beyond Garret's control, as part of a game script, are allowed." Even if the monolith getting destroyed is caused by a script, it is a direct result of Garrett's action and not involving enemy behavior. Examples of scripts being excused as we have discussed before are conversations starting, patrol routes being altered, events happening or changing elsewhere in the map when Garrett reaches a certain location, etc.

Edit:
3. You say boulders rolling down ramp 2nd alerting mask guardian isn't a bust, how? This is a trap sprung by Garrett, which results in an enemy hearing it and alerting. Ok you can call it an avalanche, but it's still caused by Garrett getting close. You say "it wasn't made by me, so that's not a bust". If an alarm triggers from you entering a room alerting enemies, wouldn't you call that a bust? How is this different? They don't alert to Garrett, but instead the alarm... Traps are mentioned in the Supreme rules as being a bust even when "crossing an invisible trip wire". Sure, tripping the trap isn't a bust for regular Ghost but alerting enemies are.

Again, great work here and I really enjoyed reading it. :D