Fms that won't work properly with New Dark - Summary of Issues in OP

lupus on 15/4/2014 at 07:19

I was recently playing a mission called thieves quarter. I got to a point in the mission where I had to take an object. The unfortunate thing is this object caused a crash. A quick look at recent threads confirmed that this is a bug caused by the new dark patch.
I created this thread to find out what fan missions were broken by the new dark. Any help would be nice. I figure that new dark has been around long enough that a good amount of bugs and issues with older mission have been found.

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Summary of solutions and other issues reported in this thread and other threads

Note: Voodoo and others will not attempt to look for a solution for any problem if there is no save, if you have one please post it in this thread

Thief FMs NewDark fixes repository (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145374)

Missions fixed with dmls, convist.osm or other solutions
see repository for dmls and convict.osm files

Amida
Issues fixed
1. can not unlock the final door with the correct key (NewDark issue)
2. also none of the 'Kill the Bugbeast' objectives check off. Turns out AMIDA is a T1 mission not a TG mission and this bug is caused by the TG engine mis-reading T1 objectives
Solution Install Voodoo's dml fix

Bloodstone Prison
In the temple the candle on the altar may not appear lit when playing with either NecroAge or HDmod installed
Solution Play the mission without mods installed.

Break out from Apocalypse Prison
Mission does not end, trinket objective does not work on expert, fixed a bug with war not dying as it should, fixed a scroll and some more minor issues.
Solution Install both miss file and dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64699&p=2316992&viewfull=1#post2316992)

Burgomaster
Newdark issue....Almost impossible to frob the Horn of Quintus
Solution Install Voodoo's dml fix

Business at Midnight
The Objective 'Get out of the compound and back onto home turf' does not check off.
Solution Install the .dml fix by Unna Oertdottir
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20596&p=2317143&viewfull=1#post2317143)

Calendra's Cistern
2 issues. After the cutscene between Calendra and Dillon, Calendra places her goblet on the table, sometimes this goblet disappears, also the conversation between Calendra & Brimstone does not work. Voodoo has supplied a dml fix for both of these issues, but are untested
Solution To guarantee correct play you are advised to play the Newdark re-release from AntiMatter_16
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145639&highlight=calendras+cistern)

Circle of Strain 1 T1 version
various issues reported
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix,
Note: You may also be advised to play either the T2 version or the Newdark re-release by AntiMatter_16 which contains all 3 missions in one campaign FM (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144751&highlight=circle+of+strain)

Dread
dark.cfg issue....blackjack / sword etc are all white.
solution.... patch with latest TFix
or see (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2247945&viewfull=1#post2247945)

Escape from Guilesatpeak
Newdark issue
Guard is too sensitive in the prison cell area and becomes alert to your presence even when you make no noise, thus failing the mission even before you get out of your cell when playing on expert only ('escape unnoticed' objective fails)
Solution dml fix in repository
Note: Only use miss30.mis contained in the file (other miss files are for other Shadow of Doubt missions)
Note: The same miss30.mis also fixes the same issue in Tears of Blood

Escape the Bear Pits
Sword objective does not work
Solution Install the dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56523&p=2317725&viewfull=1#post2317725)

Fall of a Chook
Objective 'Steal Farkus's body' does not work, 2 items of loot do not go into the main loot inventory, problem with no-kill objective. Problem with portcullis in sewers
Solution Install dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46622&p=2317392&viewfull=1#post2317392)

Hellerhouse
This mission may not load correctly when playing via FMsel see posts 309 to 320
Solution First try to play via Darkloader, if that fails look for MISSFLAG.str file in your FMsel/FM/hellerhouse/intrface folder and move it to FMsel/FM/hellerhouse/strings folder, if you can't find the MISSFLAG folder you can get one at Voodoo's repository.

Information
2 issues
1. when you frob the crayman's head a secret door fails to open, this is a Newdark issue
2. various objectives fail to check off during game play preventing you finishing the mission, this is due to a T1 mission/TG engine conflict that prevents the TG engine correctly reading T1 objectives
Solution. Install both Voodoo's dml fix and oldconvict.osm file (both available in repository)
Note: DO NOT place oldconvict.osm file in your main Thief folder as it will break the thief engine, only place it in your FMsel/FM/information folder.

LaFrenier_Real Criminal Boss
Regardless of which difficulty you select, when you start the game the mission defaults to normal difficulty, thus playing on easy or hard impossible
Solution Install the dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44791&p=2316991&viewfull=1#post2316991)
Warning. Playing on hard is frighteningly difficult as although it is possible to kill LaFrenier it's due more to luck than skill, so you may wish to only play on normal if you want an easier life.

Mages Area
Various issues occur in all 3 versions of this mission (1.0v, 1.0e & 1.1v)
1. in the 'Path of Enlightenment' the trap door does not work correctly
2. in the 'Word Puzzle' area the doors do not open once you are on the other side of puzzle
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Makiko
Problems with killing the Aunt
Solution Install dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57504&p=2317701&viewfull=1#post2317701)

Mansion of Chaos
You can not enter the water area as you die instantly when mantling out of the water
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

MineShock
Mission crashes at the start of the mission
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Mr. J's Ring
Objectives do not work, some loot can not be collected nor can the blackjack
Solution Install Unna Oertdottir's dml fix found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20202&p=2317764&viewfull=1#post2317764)

Noble Death
various minor bugs
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Oblivion
You can not enter trial room 3 due to wall that should not be there (you can mantle up & wriggle in with 1.22, only to come across another Newdark bug shortly afterwards in the Shrine of the builder area), couple of objectives do not work and final showdown does not happen
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix allowing you to play this mission through to the end for the very first time.

Off to Milhorn Manor
Newdark issue
The switch that's supposed to let you grab 'Safety Key B' doesn't work
solution.......play using 2.1 version The switch is still unfrobbable but the small door in front of the key has been removed in this version so it doesn't matter.

Payback
Newdark issue
can't jump onto a rope as it is too short
solution.....re-patch with latest TFix
or add to you cam_ext.cfg file, add this line:
force_correct_rope_lengths 1

Pirate's Downfall
Newdark issue?
game crashes due to incorrect pixel size on a book
solution....(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109310&p=2174703&viewfull=1#post2174703)

Prodigal Corpse, The
Mission does not finish on hard or expert, issue with 'do not kill the rat' objective
Solution Install dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20902&p=2317007&viewfull=1#post2317007)

Ranstall Keep
Scrunched up zombie in cell area
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Ruins of Originia
incorrect text string causes you to be unable to read a poster in the starting area
solution.....(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2254723&viewfull=1#post2254723)

Shadow of Doubt Campaign
3 Newdark issues, 1 lighting issue
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Note: Extract the 7z file into a temporary folder then paste the contents of that extracted folder into your FMsel/Fm/shadowofdoubt folder, as if you try to extract directly all you will do is place the folder containing the dml fixes in the FMsel/Fm/shadowofdoubt folder
1. part 1 .....Walking the Edge....when exiting the embassy via the door an objective checks off incorrectly
solution....leave the embassy via the sewer hatch only or dml fix below
2. part 2....Tears of Blood , see 'Escape from Guilesatpeak'...as FM / same issue
3. part 5....Nightcrawler......portcullis does not open when you frob a lockbox with the letter
4. part 1 Walking the Edge......weird looking beam at the very beginning of mission......lighting issue
Note: These issues also occur in the individual FMs, to fix the individual missions you need to open the dml fix and place the appropriate dml in the FMsel folder
Walking the Edge.....miss29.mis
Tears of Blood.........miss30.mis
Nightcrawler...........miss33.mis

Strife campaign
In the mission 'Borderlines' there is a lockbox that does not unlock
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix.

Thief2X:
New Mantle issue
Try to mantle from the ice blocks. There is a pool at the start of mission 3 'The city sleeps'.
Solution....Turn off New Mantle

Tears of Blood
see 'Escape from Guilesatpeak'...as same issue
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix
Note: Only use dml miss30.mis (other miss files are for other Shadow of Doubt missions)

The Gem
T1/TG engine conflict prevents an objective not working when you enter the manor
Solution you need to install oldconvict.osm (available in repository listed as convict!)in your FMsel/Fms/gem folder
Note: DO NOT place oldconvict.osm file in your main Thief folder as it will break the thief engine, only place it in your FMsel/FM/gem folder.

The Item
Loot Objective unchecks when you pick up the Legendary Sword
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

The Treasury
Newdark issue...In the caves area, you need to get across a beam before you get crushed by a moving platfrom, in Newdark however the platform only goes half way up to the ceiling allowing you to climb up onto it
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Thieves Quarters
Newdark issue
game crashes to desktop when you try to pick up the 'Holy Hammer' off the altar
solution.....this problem seems to have repaired itself with Newdark 1.22 or higher
see (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145327)

Trial by Night
Newdark 1.21a issue
crash to desktop when you climb into the attic in the first building playing via TFix 1.21a only
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix or upgrade your Tfix to 1.22 or higher

Through the looking Glass
Unclimbable ladder see (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2294111&viewfull=1#post2294111) post
solution Turn off New mantle.

Torben the Traitor
Newdark issue
You can't jump onto rope as it is too short
solution......re-patch with latest TFix
or add to you cam_ext.cfg file, add this line:
force_correct_rope_lengths 1

Trickster Returns, The
mission does not finish when playing on expert (impossible) caused by a conflict between T1 game & TG engine in which the TG engine sometimes incorrectly reads T1 objectives
Solution Install oldconvict.osm file (listed in repository as convict!) into your FMsel/FM/ttreturn12 folder
Note: DO NOT place oldconvict.osm file in your main Thief folder as it will break the thief engine, only place it in your FMsel/FM/ttreturn12 folder.

Uninvited Guests
corrupted file issue....when trying to load this mission both FMsel and darkloader fail to extract the zip
solution.....you need to create your own UGUEST file and extract it manually see posts
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2251701&viewfull=1#post2251701)
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2251744&viewfull=1#post2251744)

Wanted: Dead or Alive
Newdark issue
key does not open door to prison area
Solution install Voodoo's dml fix

Woodkey Resthouse
2 issues, unfrobbable key and 1 piece of loot with no value
Solution Install dml fix by Unna Oertdottir found here
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69244&p=2317161&viewfull=1#post2317161)

Other issues reported for which there are no current solutions

Bane II - Cult of the Damned.....Newdark issue
bottom of coffin does not open after having frobbed another sarcophagus just around the corner
quicksave (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4LhJTQiEm7QRmhWZmRDbzc4V2c/view?usp=sharing)

Dead of Winter....Newdark issue
crashes when mechanist gives you a key
quicksave needed

Garretts Younger years......Newdark issue?
it would appear Garrett has put on a bit of weight in recent years
quicksave needed

Horns of Canzo.....Newdark issue
the staff (Sceptre of Krall) doesn't work, you're supposed to 'use' the staff in front of the portal but it no longer works
save needed

Horns of Canzo part 1: A Long Way Up.....New Mantle issue
Go east and into the park, wade under the bridge, dive to your left and swim to the end (N E). Surface and try to mantle.
Solution...turn off New Mantle

Korrigans.......Newdark issue
door should be blown away by explosion after fight
save needed

Last Lighthouse Keeper
Door does not open....(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2292960&viewfull=1#post2292960) save posted

Lord Binclair
A couple of the objectives are set up incorrectly but you can still finish the mission

Lorgan's Web
2 Newdark issues
Mission does not finish when playing on hard
Hammerite does not burst through apartment door
save needed

Moth to a Flame
Newdark issue
couple of windows don't open causing you to miss a large part of the mission (obj 526)
save needed

Saints & Thieves
Objective problem
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&p=2294652&viewfull=1#post2294652)

The Varyx Obelisk
possible Newdark issue / possible bug due to randomization
in expert mode having found the black sword the objective to find the sword failed to check off which means when you place the last Talisman in its ward holder 2 new objectives fail to occur, thus the final key does not materialize meaning you can not finish the mission on expert
quicksave (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7UExWqHXPI2MjhVdHBQYlNpTXc/view?usp=sharing)

Way of the Sword
Newdark issue
can't re-frob the rosary once you have blessed it in the water
save needed

yxlplig on 15/4/2014 at 09:36

I've started from the very first FM and have played up to A Smuggler's Request so far. So that's everything from June 1999 to early January 2001, and so far I've encountered 3 missions that are flat out broken because of New Dark:

Oblivion by Wrichards ((http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48059&p=2195040&viewfull=1#post2195040) recently discussed in this thread)
Thieves Quarter as mentioned by the OP
Escape from Guilesatpeak (Mission 1 of the Journey campaign) (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20644&p=2231290&viewfull=1#post2231290) also recently discussed, you can try Ricebug's fix

I suppose technically Escape from Guilesatpeak is playable with NewDark, but not on Expert. There is a ghosting objective and a twitchy NPC ruins it right as the mission starts.

Also there is another mission, called Information, that I had problems with but I am pretty sure that it is a Thief Gold issue and not a NewDark issue.

ZylonBane on 15/4/2014 at 14:18

My, what a pissy, petulantly phrased thread title. You people are aware that NewDark is the Thief 2 engine, and if any T1 FMs happen to run under it that's just a bonus, yes?

Nightwalker on 15/4/2014 at 14:20

It's incredibly easy to have more than one install of TG or T2. Why not just have a separate install without the new dark upgrade and use it to play the older missions? That's what I do and then you don't have to worry about them not working properly or being "broken".

Renault on 15/4/2014 at 14:57

@ZB - I didn't read it that way at all. What's the harm in keeping track for posterity's sake?

The Watcher on 15/4/2014 at 15:22

There's no harm in and of itself, knowing which FMs don't work is indeed useful. However they were not 'broken' by NewDark: they're doing things that only ever worked because they relied on deficiencies and arguably broken behaviour in the old engine. A more accurate title would be "FMs that need fixing to work in NewDark".

Tannar on 15/4/2014 at 16:22

I've changed the title. That should satisfy the more pedantic among you.

@ ZB: That may be confusing given that TFix incorporates New Dark for T1/G.

ZylonBane on 15/4/2014 at 16:43

Quote Posted by The Watcher

Yes and no. A moot point now since the thread title has been made less inflammatory, but there's two classes of incompatibility here:
- T1 FMs, which are lucky to work at all since NewDark is really the T2 engine with what appears to be some extra backward compatibility bolted onto it
- T2 FMs, which as you say sometimes rely on borderline or weird behavior, like AIs breathing through their navels

Then there's the new mantle code, which IMHO I consider a caveat emptor deal.

fortuni on 15/4/2014 at 17:55

There are a number of T1/TG fms that don't work properly with NewDark, but you can still play and finish them, such as CoS 1 in which all the doors are pitch black, and others that various weapons such as the sword and the blackjack appear as being white, but these issues do not reduce the playability factor of them game......do they count in this thread

voodoo47 on 15/4/2014 at 18:15

it certainly won't hurt to post all the issues in one topic. most of that stuff is easily solvable.