Fms that won't work properly with New Dark - Summary of Issues in OP

fortuni on 10/4/2015 at 06:32

Calendra's Cistern
When you come across Calendra, Dillon hands her a goblet, when he leaves the room Calendra places the goblet on the table thus you can frob 2 purple goblets in olddark, but with Newdark the goblet Calendra's holding disappears meaning you can only get 1 goblet from that table

Edit: This seems to be a general bug....sometimes the goblet disappears , sometimes it doesn't :wot:

Roz on 12/4/2015 at 10:55

I haven't been able to get through the quicksand part of this mission for years now without Thief crashing so I thought I might give it a try with NewDark.

Well, it still crashes but I found a workaround: you can get the Fire Key through the Air Key area, from the 3rd Alps. There's a service tunnel behind the hotel, I only realized just now that you can actually shoot a rope arrow up the pipe in there (I tried it before but I guess I didn't hit the right spot and so concluded that I can't get to the key that way, but as it turns out I was wrong).

So I was finally able to go on with the mission and I guess I would have completed it on Ghost except that I couldn't get back to the 1st Alps past the two guards at the gate -- I don't know whether this is a NewDark issue, the guards are too sensitive? I know it was always difficult to sneak by but I know I've done it before. Anyway, I replayed the mission on Snake and knocked out the guards. I was finally able to get to the finish, wow! :cool:

Unfortunately, the staff (Sceptre of Krall) didn't work though. I was unable to destroy the portal to hell with it. To make sure, I followed the instructions in the walkthrough, it says you're supposed to 'use' the staff in front of the portal but it no longer works. Nothing happens. But I was so happy to actually be able to play the mission so it wasn't too bad of a let down.

downwinder on 12/4/2015 at 12:08

i just figured out why i cant play some of the newer thief gold missions with massive amounts of black textures,i finally figured out how to load fmsel and it said that the thief i got it a old version,since the thief gold i have is a copy i am not sure if anything is missing and the copy of thief 1 i got is the original so its known to have problems when trying to play thief gold missions off it,but luckily its only a small hand full of missions i am not about to play less then 5 all thief gold more recent ones

zappenduster on 12/4/2015 at 13:22

Just for fun I tried to play my old campaign Garrett's Young Years XTra under NewDark (1.22). I guess it is not ND-playable, because Garrett has become too fat. In part 1 he couldn't slip unseen thru the rhombic windows of the city watch (even NewMantle doesn't help) and in part 2 he always gets stuck (in all directions!) in the gap of the ruin so he can't reach the abandonned quarter anymore. :erg:

Never mind, it's an old story ... but if you want to play it you better take an 1.19 installation ... :rolleyes:

Xorak on 12/4/2015 at 23:39

That's odd, because wasn't Garrett's head-bob fixed a bit so that the player can squeeze into those 4-high spaces much easier?

fortuni on 18/4/2015 at 12:32

The Prodigal Corpse T1mission

problem resolved...see below

Secret Door, that is opened with fire arrow on torch, immediately re-closes just enough to make the door width impossible to get through.....actually the door re-shuts really quickly after you have opened it about 2/3 seconds anyway could this also be a Newdark bug ?? but when it first opens it swings back on its hinges just enough to stopping you getting through even in that 2/3 second window

quicksave (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7UExWqHXPI2c3FxSWQ1R2VlQmM/view?usp=sharing)

voodoo47 on 18/4/2015 at 15:09

what is supposed to be the normal behavior?

fortuni on 18/4/2015 at 16:33

well that explain it.....just replayed with olddark and in olddark the torch is lit & so i put the torch out, but that did not open the door, i then picked up a bottle from inside the left hand pedestal.....and that is what triggers the door opening...and is the correct trigger both Newdark and Olddark ......the door opens fully allowing you entry

what i think happened was that i may have put that torch out earlier and when i shot a fire arrow at the now un-lit torch it may make the bottle jump up off the pressure plate , enough to trigger the opening (and then re-closing ) of the secret door

thanks for looking anyway Voodoo....query withdrawn :D

fortuni on 19/4/2015 at 13:28

The Gauntlet T1 demo by Apache

Newdark/New mantle issue
with olddark to get into one of the rooms with a Big Lever you need to pull, you need to run down the 'Hall of Death' which has a ceiling coming down on your head, arrows being fired at you and a sword trap at the far end, but with Newdark you can mantle up to the exit crawl space by the beam above the pool, thus eliminating a rather difficult but fun part of the mission, which is a shame, but as it's a new mantle issue is there anything that can be done about it ?

olddark save (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7UExWqHXPI2WXFDdU00Tmd6SDQ/view?usp=sharing)

Newdark save (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7UExWqHXPI2cndIaWZiZ2xQODA/view?usp=sharing)

voodoo47 on 19/4/2015 at 13:41

you can disable new mantle. or modify the map so it would be new mantle aware.