Medlar on 5/7/2014 at 01:50
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http://image1.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2010/53/607_126694959212.jpgA Mitt Romney presidential sequel in 2016?
A recent poll that contained some disturbing news for President Barack Obama concerning low approval ratings had a nugget that might provide a smile for his 2012 opponent.
According to a Quinnipiac University survey, 44% of Americans think the country "would be better off than it is today" if Mitt Romney were president today, versus 38% who say the nation would be in worse shape.
These numbers have stoked speculation on whether Mr Romney could be considering another try for the presidency in 2016.
It would be an unusual move, as most defeated candidates in the general election tend to disappear from the national political scene - or at least give up on their presidential aspirations.
Romney, like Nixon, will have a massive legacy infrastructure at his disposal to seize the opportunity”
Emil Henry
Politico Magazine
"Romney recognises well the historical odds against becoming a repeat nominee," writes former Romney campaign lawyer Emil Henry in Politico magazine. "In the film Mitt, which documents his two presidential campaigns, he is captured at a fundraiser making an 'L' on his forehead to depict how a failed nominee becomes 'a loser for life.'"
Henry - a former George W Bush administration treasury department official - argues, however, that Mr Romney's situation is more like that of Richard Nixon, who was defeated by John Kennedy in 1960 only to turn around and win the top job in 1968.
He says both politicians were "mighty warriors" who lacked an easy appeal on television. Nixon shook off his critics, however, and persevered. Could Mr Romney be cut from similar cloth?
There are three factors that could contribute to a Romney resurgence similar to Nixon's, Henry writes. Mr Romney has emerged as the de facto leader of an otherwise rudderless Republican party. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie - two possible competitors - both have political baggage that makes them less appealing, Henry asserts.
This dearth of leadership is matched by a lack of appealing presidential candidates, Henry says. The nomination was wide open for Nixon in 1968, and the same could be said for Mr Romney.
"Romney, like Nixon, will have a massive legacy infrastructure at his disposal to seize the opportunity," he writes. "Impressively, Romney is the only Republican who can roll into any major money centre like New York, Los Angeles or Houston and mobilise his fundraisers on demand, and he is doing so with regularity."
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The field of possible 2016 candidates is far more dynamic and in line with the party's emerging identity than the 2012 field”
Philip Klein
The Washington Examiner
Finally, Henry says, Mr Romney is not a career politician. His appeal is that he is a competent executive and manager, which is something Americans could value come 2016.
While Henry isn't alone in speculating on a possible Romney run, other commentators have downplayed his chances.
Henry's piece "reflects the same sort of disillusion thinking that lead many in the Romney camp to argue he would beat President Obama in 2012, despite a flood of polls in key swing states that suggested otherwise," writes the Washington Examiner's Philip Klein.
The difference between Nixon and Mr Romney is Nixon lost a very narrow election to Kennedy, Klein continues.
Mr Romney, on the other hand, was soundly beaten.
Klein also downplays the role Mr Romney plays in the current Republican party, asking: "When was the last time an elected Republican, GOP candidate or conservative activist said to themselves: 'I wonder what Mitt Romney thinks on this issue' before taking a position?"
Commentary Magazine's Seth Mandel writes that Henry is wrong about the state of the Republican presidential field. Although it is fractured, that's a result of its strength, not weakness:
The field of possible 2016 candidates is far more dynamic and in line with the party's emerging identity than the 2012 field. Romney was preferable even to many conservatives over Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. It's doubtful the same would be said for Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Mike Pence or Bobby Jindal.
Could be a very interesting 2 years.....
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PigLick on 5/7/2014 at 04:35
Does Sombras still visit these forums?
Good to see you still kicking around though Medlar :)
Sycamoyr on 5/7/2014 at 14:05
Romney? Cut from a similar cloth as Nixon? :laff:
I think he lost because his popularity took a dive as he repeatedly revealed how inhumane and cold he is as a human being.
Another famous quote was, "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me", which was quoted out of context so many times that people forgot he was talking about bad health care insurance companies.
I think a lot of this was why Obama beat him by 4,982,296 popular and 126 electoral votes. It was a close election, but that's how elections go in the U.S, I read an article that I can't seem to find on how the Democratic and Republican field has leveled out over the years and is now nearly split 50/50.
True, there may be the people who wished they would have voted otherwise, but their only real choice was Rep. or Dem.; no other party seems to stand a chance. Faced with the prospect of trying to choose the lesser of two evils, if Romney runs again, I think the 2016 elections will depend heavily on who runs against him.
Medlar on 5/7/2014 at 14:23
Thanks Piglick, still kicking around just not as much like most other members. Hope all is well in your part of Oz. I have seen Sombras here occasionally, just couldn't resist patin' his pud with this again :cheeky:
Mr.Duck on 11/7/2014 at 15:35
Tell him to show his beautiful wrinkly ass over here or at Fb, pls.
Also, hi Medlar! :D
Tony_Tarantula on 11/7/2014 at 16:53
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I think he lost because his popularity took a dive as he repeatedly revealed how inhumane and cold he is as a human being.
The same could be said about most Mormons. That religion brings out everything that's terrible about white males.
My prediction: I'm not making a call who will win. What I will say is that you can expect to see a lot of 3rd party activity in 2016 following the economic decline occurring ~2015.75. It remains to be seen whether than can counter the establishment momentum(ie, Diebold electronic voting machines, the dead voting, etc) and win the election.
demagogue on 13/7/2014 at 14:15
Duverger's Law says that pretty much can't happen unless it's some insane situation like the 1912 election.
I predict Hilary will win and Reps will be forced to soul search the same way Dems had to in 1992. Not the worst outcome. Something has to bring them back to planet Earth.
Tony_Tarantula on 14/7/2014 at 17:23
Quote Posted by demagogue
Duverger's Law says that pretty much can't happen unless it's some insane situation like the 1912 election.
I predict Hilary will win and Reps will be forced to soul search the same way Dems had to in 1992. Not the worst outcome. Something has to bring them back to planet Earth.
Not quite sure what you're talking about. They make a lot of noise, but push come to shove Boehner et al seem to vote for most of what Obama and the DNC wants.
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To make this perfectly clear, extreme views on the left or the right end up meeting in the same back parking lot where they agree the people are the great unwashed and are too stupid to see they need to be manipulated and controlled. In Europe, so-called democratically elected representative lie their ass off to get elected and then do their best to deny the people the right to vote
The socialist and the extreme-right-wing agree in Washington right now. This is why I say that if you appointed Boehner dictator for a month, he would not change the system. I have worked with politicians around the world. I had a mandate from Hong Kong to try to buy land from Australia to relocate. I met with the Treasurer at the time Mr. Keating who later became Prime Minister. He told me flat outright - NO. Why? “Because they were not Labour people!” What did that mean? They would change the demographics and vote conservative and his party feared losing power.It was not about Australia - it was about the Labour Party.
It is always about power regardless of the side of politics. Everything Obama criticized Bush for he has done in spades. Was it Obama? No! The people behind the curtain do not change with the change between left and right up in front of the curtain. They remain the same so the people have no real power and if you think the Republicans would not raise taxes when the crunch comes - you are dreaming. Already, you have had John McCain vote to tax the internet. They are all the same.