sterlino on 29/5/2004 at 18:48
why ?
it's simple:
no editor = no longevity.
i will not buy the game until there will be available the editor.
:rolleyes:
Enthasius on 29/5/2004 at 18:51
I haven't got it yet because...well...I live in England, so I can't. I bought my brother a game since he hadn't been payed at the time so he couldn't afford it, so he's buying it for me when it finally does.
What am I playing? The Thief: Deadly Shadows demo, of course! and when not on the PC, I'm playing wither Way of the Samurai 2 or Capcom Vs SNK 2 (both PS2)
Rekrul on 31/5/2004 at 02:16
I haven't bought TDS and don't plan to for probably a very long time, because I still use Windows 98. Frankly, it bugs the hell out of me that Windows 98 is considered obsolete simply because Bill Gates's business model requires that everyone go out and buy a new OS every few years.
The Watcher on 31/5/2004 at 12:00
When they release the editor, I'll consider it. I have the horsepower a couple of times over to use it but, given that it is fighting for the same money that is penciled in for HL2, Doom3 and others and it already has some fairly big negatives (I am far from pleased with some of their design decisions, I will say no more), I am in the "I need to be convinced that it is worth it" camp, and an editor is currently the only thing that'll do it at the price it will be released at over here.
... Well, an editor that lets you build levels at least as big as T2 ones in one level, preferably bigger - TDS has already taken too many steps back IMO, if the editor has more restrictions than Dromed it just won't even be worth bothering with.
When the price halves, maybe it'd be worth getting even if an editor isn't released, but until then I'm saving my money for games produced by developers that realise how important the fan community is to their product.
Preno on 31/5/2004 at 12:26
Too old a comp... :tsktsk:
stevo on 1/6/2004 at 15:11
Quote Posted by Lucky Hand of Glory
I am playing NOLF 1...as I never did finish it.
I just finished this one myself over the holiday weekend. Great game. The gameplay can get a little repetitive, but the humor, storyline, and characters make it well worth it.
Muzman on 1/6/2004 at 15:42
It's not out and I'll have to find out that workaround to get it running in w98
Cary L. Brown on 1/6/2004 at 22:27
I've decided against returning Thief 3. I've gotten it to work and still have my Win98SE installed.
How?
Well, understand that without a massive recompilation of the Thief3 code, you will NOT get it to work in anything but WinXP or Win2K (and Win2K is "sketchy" at best).
Here is the official line from Ion Storm and Eidos:
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Thank you for your message. I’m sorry, but due to serious compatibility issues between Thief: Deadly Shadows and Windows 95/98/Me, this game simply will not run on those operating systems. Furthermore, Microsoft will no longer be supporting Windows 98/ME after August of 2004. As stated on the game package, this game will only run on Windows 2000 and XP.
In other words, never mind that the game was pre-advertised and pre-sold on the basis of having this support. As long as the final packaging says something, the position of Eidos is that you and I have no recourse.
Furthermore... the issue resulting in Thief3 not running in Win98SE is not simply "it won't run well" or "it will crash," it is PREVENTED, at run time, from starting, due to a software check for the OS. The claim is that the game is prevented from running due to it's being unstable in Win9x. Possibly true... but without the removal of the "software check," we'll never know. And to remove it, I suspect you'd have to decompile, edit, and recompile the main executable, "t3.exe." Not something I'm up to...
SO, what did I do? Well, I used something called "System Commander" (http:/www.v-com.com). System Commander lets you do all variety of reconfiguration of your hardware. I've always used it for running BeOS and Linux as well as Win, DOS, etc, on a single "test" machine I like to experiment with. It used to not work with WinXP. However, it does now... though it takes a bit of effort.
What have I done? I've resized my main Win98SE partition (120GB on my first disk drive) down to 10GB less. I've set up another FAT32 partition in the recovered space. And, using System Commander, I set it up so that I could hide all the other partitions from each other. That is... when I boot into the new partition, the OS running there does not see any of my other partitions... and when I run in the existing OS boot, the OS does not see my new partition.
I did this "protection" scheme to prevent XP from interfering in any way with any of my Win98-associated stuff.
In that 10GB partition, I have a basic WinXP installation, and Thief. And that's all. (Not counting DirectX, drivers, etc, etc, naturally!)
So, I boot into the WinXP partition to run Thief, and a few nVidia demos that also appear not to run from within Win98SE. And the rest of the time I run in Win98SE, without any impact other than the reduction in size of my C: drive from 120GB to 110GB (since it's less than 1/2 full, that's not much of a sacrifice).
System Commander is pretty cheap, and it's VERY useful. I strongly recommend it. You can have as many OS's on your system, at once, as you like... including multiple configurations of a particular OS. The main issue is that you can only have one "multi-FAT" partition (ie, a partition where you have multiple OS's operating at once), and you are limited to the physical configuration limits of the EIDE standard (4 primary partitions, one or more of which can be subdivided into "extended" partitions which some OS's won't boot from.)
This is the best option I've found. And you know what? In 30 days, I expect to be done playing Thief3... and I can remove the WinXP partition without ever having to "activate" it, if I want to... and still have all my Win98SE stuff untouched!
Rekrul on 5/6/2004 at 06:51
:erg:
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Furthermore, Microsoft will no longer be supporting Windows 98/ME after August of 2004.
I love this quote...
Exactly what does Microsoft's support have to do with anything? Is there some secret expiration date in WIndows 98 that will cause it to stop working this August? This has to be the lamest excuse I've ever heard for not supporting a particular OS.
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Furthermore... the issue resulting in Thief3 not running in Win98SE is not simply "it won't run well" or "it will crash," it is PREVENTED, at run time, from starting, due to a software check for the OS. The claim is that the game is prevented from running due to it's being unstable in Win9x.
What a load of crap! I'd be more likely to believe that software companies are getting kickbacks from M$ to promote XP.
Cybernide on 5/6/2004 at 07:30
Okay... let's see why I'm not buying the game for a good few years...
1) Pentium III
2) Geforce 2
3) Windows 98
4) 1 GB on HD
5) Mouse with buttons that work barely half of the time.
This is gonna be a costly game. I'm just going to get a better computer whenever I can afford it (This'll be funny) and get TDS for like, 20 bucks.
In the meantime, I still have to finish my 3rd run through of TDP and 2nd of TMA, first run-throughs of Soldier of Fortune, Black and White, and Alice. I'm way behind.
Christ, how does Eidos expect to sell enough to break even when it only works on the machines of the very most dedicated gamers?
