lost_soul on 1/5/2012 at 17:26
Wow... and to think, people accuse me of spewing bullshit. I have official copies of all the Linux games I've played. Most of them generally work pretty well, though without the source code that may eventually change. As tech advances, issues with these games will crop up. Nobody else will be able to properly fix them but the developers without the source code.
But hey, you can enjoy your locked, binary games which require obscure (sometimes illegal) workarounds to make them work on modern systems.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfYLJM_bsJw)
or in cases like this, never worked right to begin with. You wouldn't think hopping a railing would be such a difficult task.
jay pettitt on 1/5/2012 at 18:56
ooh EvaUnit, I think you're confusing linux users for negros there.
psst also Linux users consistently pay the most on the pay-what-you-like Humble Bundle packages. Just sayin'.
Volitions Advocate on 1/5/2012 at 19:09
I don't think your N comment really puts much force into your point Jay, however truthful it may be (the Humble Bundle part, not the other part).
I think people misunderstand the OSS movement a bit here. that community just wants software to be open, lostsoul might be a little on the dramatic side, but his last post is basically right on the mark, that's what the GNU crowd want, to be able to keep their software running. Every time I go to install the AMD drivers in Ubuntu it freaks out at me and asks me if I"m SUUUUUURE I want to do that instead of using a driver that the community develops and will release for me to play with and optimize rather than just use. I understand the concept. Big corporations do what they want when they want and they don't have to care about anything that doesnt' make them money anymore. I agree with the OSS viewpoint, which has nothing to do with piracy.
I watched a documentary last year called "RIP: A Remix Manifesto" where this guy goes on and on about how the media companies are "culture jammers" because they sue people for using copyrighted material in their remixes and such that they may or may not make money from. My argument is that rehashing a 40 year old AC/DC song AGAIN and getting pissy because the company that has the rights to it gets upset over you making money on that, is the real source of culture jamming. If people would stop getting angry about the past stuff they can't change, and just START making content for the future and releasing it open source or creative commons, then our art and entertainment culture could actually move forward, rather than staying stagnant and constantly trying to relive the past.
I guess my point goes all over the place. but what I'm trying to say is, Don't lump OSS CC or GNU/Linux types into a big lump of thieves, I'd say the majority of pirated software, while probably hacked by a guy from that group, was downloaded by a bunch of people who barely know how to set their control panel options in windows properly, and who would probably have a heart attack trying to repartition their HDDs in order to dual boot into linux anyway.
re: Sulpher
Of course I know the whole catalog wouldn't go over, that's why I made my comment. Thanks for explaining it for me though, I probably should've done a better job of it myself.
jay pettitt on 1/5/2012 at 19:19
Really?
And there was me thinking Eva was just being lazy, stupid and a bore in a way that benefits absolutely nobody.
lost_soul on 1/5/2012 at 19:21
@Above poster, one could argue they're doing you a favor. See this video for an example of how.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nez1Byy9ras)
This post is being made from a Linux box with NVidia proprietary drivers because they actually work. At the end of the day, that is all we users care about.
Also, I spent $40 on a DVD whose authors released all of the source material to the public. They allowed us to download it for free (and I had already done so)... But part of enjoying a piece of art is being able to examine how it was made. Then yesterday I ordered a used copy of Rage for $6... lol
Phatose on 1/5/2012 at 19:47
Humble Bundle donations are a piss poor metric of anything. Too many 'pay 1 cent, resell later' folks skewing the numbers against whichever OS happens to be the default - and IIRC, that's always Windows. Make Linux the default selected OS, you'd see a pretty brutal drop in their average donations. They'd probably still be the largest, but the margin would shrink.
That said, while I'm pretty convinced the disciples of Stallman are outright hostile to anyone making money selling software, they're not pirates.
lost_soul on 1/5/2012 at 19:59
Looks like somebody didn't get the memo. Whether we bought the game used for $6, or we bought it half a year after release for $20, or we played it at a buddy's house, we're all filthy pirates. We could have (nay, should have) spent more on that one game.
We must bow down and pay whatever the publishers decide we can because they are the gate keepers to all things entertainment and we must serve our masters.
june gloom on 1/5/2012 at 20:06
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That's not what I'm talking about you ass!!!I am talking about YOUR HYPOCRISY. If I buy a game used, or on sale (hi Steam!) or if I pirate, it's because I'm poor. Maybe the game has DRM, maybe it doesn't. If a game has a particular DRM setup I don't want anything to do with, I'm
not going to buy it or steal it or play it. At all. Ever. Bye bye Diablo 3!
Therefore I have more integrity than you. You bitch endlessly about DRM and everything else but you still throw your money at the very games you decry.
Shame on you.
lost_soul on 1/5/2012 at 20:23
It is called an impulse buy. We see something extremely cheap and say "gee, I wonder how this game turned out". Then we reason that we could rent the game for the same price and only get it for a few days, or buy it and play it as and when we want.
Doesn't matter if some of the levels are locked, or the game contains lots of bugs. We spent more on yesterday's pizza and as long as the game entertains us for a few hours, we have gotten what we desire.
