Keeper Anakara on 20/11/2004 at 08:13
Looks like it has come down to this:
Friendship and romance are types of love.
I agree with many of the posters on this thread. Garrett had no romantic interest in Viktoria. But he probably did love her...through friendship only.
take care.
Iroquois on 20/11/2004 at 19:23
I don't like to post a lot, but just a little note: I think most people should know by now that it's much harder to put the foundations of a friendship than fall in love. Especially between a man and a... woman.
metal dawn on 3/12/2004 at 01:50
I'd like to thank all of you for responding. I honestly didn't expect such a good turnout. I genuinely like the responses and I hope to see more. :D
*thread resurrected...again*
Here's my effort to relight the Fires of Debate (and quell my desire to rave):
I don't think we can know everything about Garrett's persona; we are only playing a superficial 1st person role, we have no affect on his ideals. Reinterating, we cannot know EVERYTHING about our hero (or anti-hero); we simply cannot know everything he is thinking. We can only take his thoughts as they come, and they are very selective at that, barely unveiling any part of his intimate thoughts. You notice I'm still not leaning to sides, right? *exhales forcefully; right lung collapses* Alright, I'm done (for now).
Vogelfrei on 3/12/2004 at 13:01
Quote Posted by metal dawn
So we know EVERYTHING about our hero (or anti-hero); we simply cannot know everything he is thinking.
Do we? Can we? Nah.
I mean, do we really know about him? My impression is rather the other way round. We don't know so much about what he's doing when he's not stealing but we know his way of thinking quite good.
His life is mostly hidden from us (and from his world, including even the keepers... partly). We do not know what happens between or before the games. And after, as Thief 4 will hopefully not feature Garrett as the main character, but that's another question. Neither we know of all happenings between the misions, at least in the first two parts. We don't know what he is doing in the nights when there is enough money to pay the landlord and get himself something to eat.
BUT we know what he thinks of. He tells us, in the briefings, in the missions. Even the mission goals show us his character (if you consider him to be expert). I think we know more about his thoughts and opinions than of his usual life.
Anyway, I don't get how exactly this fits into the Garrett-Viktoria debate. Concerning revival: Why? People said what they wanted to say, we know the opinions on it and - builder! - we even found some sort of conclusion. A discussion has to end somewhere and it usually does by itself.
metal dawn on 3/12/2004 at 23:55
*Falls over and*scambles for EDIT Button* Thanks for pointing that out, Voge. I'll fix that now. Hmmm. Yep. Thread is moribund. I would have attended to it, but my internet connection went down for life a week and a half. Sorry for any inconvenience. Anyway, as I said before, thanks to everyone who responded. I didn't expected so many hits. Maybe I'll stir up trouble again...when I think of something. Anyway, thanks all and taff on!
Thread closed
maybe... :ebil:
KarrasEvul on 3/1/2008 at 12:32
:rolleyes:
Hehe :P *Goes off topic* \o/
I think that Victoria and Garrett were Allies, nothing more :P
But i DO think that Zaya from Thief 2X and Garrett would be the cutest couple in the Taffer-world :o
x) If Zaya would have stayed in the city :/
Silver-ONI on 3/1/2008 at 23:12
Wow... I just am about to begin writing a script, where I was going to have Garrett and Viktoria in a relationship. (for that fan Thief movie in the works) Personally, I think that there was romantic tension going on, and I do believe there was a relationship that was unmentioned. Now, as I'm sitting here with only a page done, I'm going "Is this a good idea?" now, seeing how many people dislike it (or is it simply disagreeing?). For any naysayers, is it just a matter of "I don't think there was, but if there was it wouldn't bug me" or "I hope there wasn't because I hate the idea"?
Digital Nightfall on 3/1/2008 at 23:18
Because it's wrong for the themes and tone of the game.
Did they have a relationship? The answer to that is not irrelevant. However what is much, much more relevant is the fact that this question must not be answered. To do so would be like painting lipstick onto the mona lisa.
Jashin on 3/1/2008 at 23:23
No.
Complete and utter fantasy.
It goes against so many characterizations I don't even know where to begin.
jtr7 on 4/1/2008 at 07:18
Viktoria can use her femininity to distract and manipulate. She has some characteristics of a wood nymph. Unless Garrett completely gave up on women after the unknown outcome of his hopes for something from Basso's sister, and especially after letting his guard down around Viktoria the first time, he may still find himself lowering his guard. If she's using feminine wiles, and he's giving in--regardless of whether he likes her at all--it could be misconstrued by observers.
Ever since I saw that cutscene in TMA, when he meets her again, I've always believed (against the common grain, here), that he was manipulated again. I swear Stephen Russell's voice-work makes a strong suggestion that Garrett agreed unwillingly--not just hesitantly, or grudgingly. I cannot hear him say the line: "I...agreeee....", without hearing someone entranced. Yes, I know, that's just me. She's in her realm, where she draws strength, we see many forms of magic at work, including--possibly--the spilling of their blood onto the soil of the Maw.
Yet another idea is that it probably confused Garrett for Viktoria to cast away any vengeful feelings. Dyan and Larkspur also withheld vengeance. Garrett was rarely happy about Viktoria, and only after she sacrificed herself did he express any feelings that people believe might be love.
Garrett is clearly a loner through the first two games, and he's still independent in TDS, though less antisocial. Whether he ever falls in love or not, he's a bachelor through and through. Besides--and I know this isn't fair--most of us are going to find the idea of Garrett and Viktoria being more than grudgingly admiring, or even fond of each other, almost as :eww: as this:
M17LIBR: "REGINALD AND CONANDRA FOREST PRINCESS
or The Tragical Tale of Forbidden Devotion Betwixt Our Hero Reginald, Hammerite Novice, and the Sprightly Conandra, Forest Denizen and Ruler of all Trees.
Libretto and Music by Ian Cribs.
ACT 1: The Forest Edge.
REGINALD has been sent to cut wood. He sings:
'I am but a simple novice, sent here to bring wood from forest, happy is this sunny day, if only it could stay this way.'
CONANDRA, singing from afar:
'Ahh glorious sun! Send your rays upon us!
But wait - who is this I spy? Who dares fell wood from my domain?! He will learn the folly of his ways!!'
Conandra lands a blow upon Reginald's head.
Reginald sings:
'Ahh! Pound me not foul forest thing!'
He raises his axe in a defensive stance.
Reginald sees Conandra for the first time, he sings:
'Did I say foul forest thing? For thou art beautiful as a butterfly's wing!'
Conandra, her eyes meeting Reginald's, sings:
'Didst I land a blow upon your head? For I would rather take my own life instead!'
They embrace.
They exit stage left.
The forest creatures sing:
'Na, na, na, la, la, la, etc.'
End ACT 1"
Heh heh heh....:p And you will find out how people feel about Garrett committing vegiality when the old jokes start flying again.
