gunsmoke on 30/1/2009 at 01:23
Due to recent recommendations, I am currently downloading Saints and Thieves and Seven Sisters.
BTW, I am in the middle of Shadow Moon. Very linear, but a nice contest mission nonetheless.
EDIT: Does the Seven Sisters V2 on The Circle include the entire campaign, or just the first episode?
pavlovscat on 30/1/2009 at 01:52
It is the whole campaign. I don't think any of the missions were released as separates since it's really an ongoing story spread over several days.
Yandros on 30/1/2009 at 02:10
SneakyJack, I generally share your view of CL. I originally played it back in 2001 and when the undead appeared in Murkbell, after a few minutes of being slaughtered, I gave up and didn't even try again until 2008! It was a lot easier this time around, though, I guess I'm a much better player than I was back then and managed to sneak my way through. But I agree, I generally dislike most of the things used in mission 2. Mission 3 was a real treat, though, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and was glad I had finally finished the series.
Nightwalker on 30/1/2009 at 02:32
Strangely enough, I find Mission 2 of CL harder on the easiest difficulty setting than on the middle one. You get access to more stuff including the dagger on Hard. It's also much more enjoyable if you thoroughly explore the city before going to collect your gear. You can gather up quite a bit of equipment from various places plus get familiar enough with it to know how to get around the undead after they appear.
BrokenArts on 30/1/2009 at 02:41
I need to see that Ultimate Easter egg again.
SneakyJack on 30/1/2009 at 03:07
Quote Posted by gunsmoke
Due to recent recommendations, I am currently downloading Saints and Thieves and Seven Sisters.
BTW, I am in the middle of Shadow Moon. Very linear, but a nice contest mission nonetheless.
I think you'll have a great time with those. Please post your impressions after you are finished with them!
Quote Posted by Nightwalker
Strangely enough, I find Mission 2 of CL harder on the easiest difficulty setting than on the middle one. You get access to more stuff including the dagger on Hard. It's also much more enjoyable if you thoroughly explore the city before going to collect your gear. You can gather up quite a bit of equipment from various places plus get familiar enough with it to know how to get around the undead after they appear.
I may have to give it another shot on the middle difficulty then. I usually play on easy for screenshot purposes so that I can make it through the mission more quickly - but part 2 was relentless.
The hard part about waiting to collect your gear is that after completing the initial objective the entire city is now out to kill you. :D
I'm far from the best when it comes to ghosting, and without a blackjack at least I usually get frustrated and move on to a mission that isnt going to test my patience. Am I a perfect thief? Far from it.. but I know what I find fun and that mission was not it. :laff:
SneakyJack on 30/1/2009 at 04:46
Quote Posted by clearing
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Is that a yes or a no? :laff:
Edit: You know, being able to delete your own posts would be nice :( Sometimes I post something and then decide it wasnt worth posting but have to post something anyway.
Lady Taffer on 30/1/2009 at 05:11
Am I the only one who loved Night 2 in Calendra's legacy? Hell, the Calendra series is such a well-designed and playable series I can almost overlook Purah's rampant sexism and absolutely pathetic character development inundated throughout the series. . .almost.
Anyway, yes, Midnight in Murkbell kind of forces you to ghost, but for some reason it's set up in such a way that I don't even notice. It's easy--at leat for me to avoid the guards and even get the cylix to the cathedral as well as snatching all the loot there within the time limit. . however, I have played this before quite a few times. :D
Anyway, you've got to really explore the city and do a few sidequests and you'll find a lot of stuff like a bunch of holy water, fire arrows, flash bombs, invisibility potions, speed potions and if you do the sidequest where you assemble the ZilidjchFKSgdkshkfh(whatever) Amulet you'll have quite a formidable arsenal against the hordes of undead. . seriously, there's not much that's more satisfying than making every undead monster within a 3-yard radius around you explode. :D
A Winter's Eve was. . .eh. . the fight at the beginning was fun, but as soon as I get into the Keeper's hideout I pretty much lose interest. :p
SneakyJack on 30/1/2009 at 05:17
Quote Posted by Lady Taffer
Purah's rampant sexism and absolutely pathetic character development inundated throughout the series
Alright, now we must talk about this. :laff:
I didn't really notice these things in the series (I guess I was sorta blowing through them due to not being my kind of mission) so I'd like to hear your thoughts as to where this occurred. More for my information and discussion than anything else.
I'd like more folks to come forward with their thoughts on certain fan missions or series but it seems like not many have much to say.
Lady Taffer on 30/1/2009 at 05:44
Well, Just about every female in the Calendra series is portrayed as either good slut/evil slut: just look at Mercedes' character model and the cut scenes with her in it. The character development of Mercedes, Lady Calendra, etc, is really really poor and the dialogue is downright embarrassing. There's one point where Garrett and Mercedes meet up and talk, and I always run past that point so I'll hear as little of the dialogue as possible. >_<
I also really don't like Purah's portrayal of Garrett in Calendra's Legacy. . he just seems more, I don't know. . arrogant and egocentric. I mean, he is to a degree, but when he's made to be so arrogant that it starts to bother me, it's a problem.
And then of course, there's the pornographic naked girl pictures all over the mission, including the bare-breasted succubus at the end, which normally I wouldn't have a problem with, but when coupled with everything else mentioned above is just another big "eye-roll" moment for me.
I mean, in The Seven Sisters for example, the brothel is full of baroque-looking (sorry. . can't remember my art history :p) paintings of sexualized nude women, but that never bothered be because
1. It's a brothel
2. They look like they belong in the Victorian-ageish Thief timeline
In A Meeting with Basso when you head up to your room at The Old Widow, there's a picture that looks like it came out of a modern Playboy magazine of a topless girl and the photo was so anachronistic and so lacking in the Thief game atmosphere that the first time I saw it I just stopped and went. "WHAT. . . . :nono:" I mean, it was so random, and this is supposed to be an Inn he's staying at, not a brothel so either way it doesn't make sense.
The mission has other cheesecake-y images like that sprinkled around and I found it all just offensive. I'd be just as annoyed if I'd come across similar images of the male persuasion as well: I don't play video games to get off, I play them to get lost in a fascinating world for a short time and things like all I mentioned above are just jarring and uncomfortable. If they were absent and the character design and development were much improved. . and frankly the story worked on as well, the series would be almost perfect.
One thing I really really liked about the original Thief series, and is what I also find in a really good FM is that the game, even though it's fairly dark and violent doesn't seem to be geared towards men, necessarily, but it's something everyone can enjoy. I generally dislike most things that are purposefully geared towards either gender, which seemed kind of what Purah was doing intentionally or unintentionally that seemed to go "HAY LOOK GAIZ, BEWBS!!"