God.. they had it all in their hands and spoiled it completely...

Dussander on 10/6/2006 at 22:40

Quote Posted by ercles

I honestly don't see how a lot of the missions in the older games are any less linear than something like the museum mission at the end of TDS

It isn't any less linear than the classic Thief games. It is just another petty argument from people who have nothing better to do than to bitch about games than looking at POSITIVE sides of things. They're pessimist, and that's just sad...

New Horizon on 10/6/2006 at 23:07

Quote Posted by Dussander

The first two games were 'plenty' less linear, you just have to play them to see it. I mean, it's clearly a common sense issue anyway. The developers were boxed into smaller levels, they didn't have the luxury of being able to create lush and luxurious environments with numerous paths and as many entrances/ exits. Acknowledging that isn't pessimism, it's being realistic.

ZylonBane on 11/6/2006 at 02:43

Quote Posted by Mahoney

ZeroBrain, is ok. There's always one on any forum.

Tag! 

Goldmoon Dawn on 11/6/2006 at 03:00

I've always found it amusing that people try to make up funny names for Zylon. I've heard it all, but ZeroBrain is a new one.

Why do you suppose that so many people resort to altering Zylon's name?

I happen to think that it is because most folks just don't know what a ZylonBane is, and it is natural to want to mock that which we do not understand?

:cheeky:

Andarthiel on 11/6/2006 at 03:19

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

I have to say... the thief series was one of the most interesting i had ever played. I loved the first... enjoyed the second and well... the third sucked. But all of them could be a whole lot better. With some little changes, little tweaks...

The Dark project was impressive. In 1998, the game was absolutely suberb... the character was well thought, the story alienating, characters interesting... the minute i got it, it was an uninterrupted journey till the end.

But well... things coulc be even better. I know, i know... in 1998 everything about videogames was still pretty green. In fact, Thief was one of the first to reserve a complex plot.

But the plot, the whole mood, although good, could have been an undelible experience... that would be awaken forever, even on a casual gamer's mouth.

The "gothic" mood.. well... more kind of medievel was good. But i think it was not dark enough. They could have produced a plot that appealed to an even older audience... and, of course, to teens... eager for adult content. As i said before, mood should have been darker. More blood, more death, sacrifices... horrific events, an intrigue even more complicated, twists so unpredicatable as one's last breath...

The characters personality should have been more explained. At least on a wider level.. to let us know actually how he is. Mentally... they gave us such few clues!... Cutscenes could have been rewritten, dialogue transformed... mission descriptions were great, but please... thats just not enough. More action, intense images, disturbing sounds... fast moving scenes, detailed environments. Its just to unrecognisable... which is good, by one side. Imagination left unchained... but.... i think that "blur" couldnt endure the pace of years. And it didnt.

For example... why not including some deep, dismaying approaches to an idea, so great at its foundation?... everyone said how creepy was the asylum level in thief 3... but come on... why not a mission on castle, a gothic one?... perilous enemies, magnificient rooms, large corridors, beautifully adornated... screams filling the air with the fragrant sound of fear, pure horror, decapitated heads lost throught out the scenery, lost limbs... blood... chants ekoating vaguely, the morbid impression of rituals as evil as cruel, sadistic tortures... given without remorse, resentment, with a smile of fierce satisfaction... gloomy portraits of undescribable dread, pure aversion... one that affects someone so much, that he helpless turns the face aside, in order to be relieved of such spectres... virgins... innocence... beauty, lust, fear... a fear that shrivers... that strangles, that affects the eyes, filling them with an expression of extreme aprehension...

Vincent, I think you've got your terminology mixed up. Gothic horror isn't bloody and gruesome in fact read H.P Lovecraft's Call of Cthulhu. It's not 100% pure but it's not very graphic either. It's all about atmosphere.
I didn't mind the Thief games. I suppose they could have made it a little more creepy but I suppose that's what the Hammerite tombs are for..

Mahoney on 11/6/2006 at 06:19

Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn

Are you named after that DragonLance character? Is ZylonBane named after the Battlestar Galactica stuff?

Skaadi on 11/6/2006 at 06:55

I dont see why people always seem to have to look for the bad in games. I absolutely loved TDS. When I first got it I was so impressed that I was actually able to explore The City, although after a while of doing that I started to feel a little constricted. The graphics were great (and still are), the storyline was great, but the physics engine annoyed me a little. The PC User guy had a good description for that, "Dead or unconcious people bend like indian rubber men." But all in all it was a truly good game.

By the way, is there another one coming out?

Parker'sSire on 11/6/2006 at 07:02

Quote Posted by Mahoney

Is ZylonBane named after the Battlestar Galactica stuff?

...Cylons

vurt on 11/6/2006 at 07:58

Quote Posted by ToolFan2007

Wrong. It's a quasi-fantasy stealth game. You don't call The Mighty Boosh horror because it has monsters in it.

Wrong. The "monsters" has nothing to do with it, the atmosphere in TDS is psychological horror at times, esp. in the Cradle-level. AND it does it much better than any pure horror game.

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Not gonna happen.

I'm sure it will happen, perhaps not a new Thief game, but a new game about a thief within a seamless world WILL happen.

~s:a:n:i:t:y~ on 11/6/2006 at 10:27

Quote Posted by metal dawn

He's a very direct guy.

That's what attracts me most in people. So have no mercy :cheeky: