God.. they had it all in their hands and spoiled it completely...

Neil_McCauley on 19/5/2006 at 16:00

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

No, gore is only a complement to horror. I think they could have used it a bit less disregard, even taking the risk of loosing some fans. The ones less interested in dark themes, wanting pure gaming diversion. Look at some movies, for exampli, like "Saw II". its definetly pretty gory, but everyone who did see it rates it as one of the best horrofic movies around

Er...OK. Saw II? Really? Saw II? Am I from Mars? Horror movies nowadays are nothing more than torture porn.

I think you want to play Vampyre and not Thief...

ascottk on 19/5/2006 at 16:16

Well, I think the creepy elements in the Thief series were well done. Not to say Thief is a creepy series, but sometimes it can scare the hell out of me in a non-creepy level. I had guards sneak up on me every once in a while and I'd jump, then I'd cuss out the guard. I don't remember having that happen in TDS, but it happened quite a few times in Constantine's Mansion.

Clyp on 19/5/2006 at 17:04

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

He (Garrett, our memorable hero) looks at a door, and a smile reaches his face. Strong wood, embellished with hours of pacience and talent. It was closed. He gently pushs it, allowing a dense yet weak light to enlight his tired face... he enters such space, immediatly sensing the fragrance of wine... he smells and instantly seeks its origin. In a far side of the room, lyed, helpless in a confortable armchair was a young woman. She was wearing a dress, apparently white, with render adorning its limits... a collar of silver rested on her naked chest... her head was curved behind, in a position of exaustion and fatigue, illuminated by the beans of a Moon which penetrated with such unrepite the refuge of a Lord's daughter. She was sleeping. He approachs her... immediatly noticing her milky tights, fragilly left on an uncatious stance... bared and sweet...

...on her lap was lying a book... red on the cover, opened at its beginning. Lines of licentiousness content could be percepted... probably stolen from the depths of her dads forbidden library... on a table near the couch rested a letter, wet with tears of hope and lasting love, mentioning an encounter so looked for, yet so feared... written 1 hour ago, on delirious and unrestrained moments. There was also the bottle of wine... red wine, standing unlid, exhalating its intense scent. A chalice... a gold one, dropped down on her silky, once regarded with obssessive care, napron, was splatting near cloths with red liquid... resembling the blood she had lost the night before..

...he is standing 2 feet near her, hearing her compassed rithm of breath. She suddenly, in the middle of such absort gaze, starts opening her beautiful, dark eyes... gently, as waking up from an angels sleep... to a world too hollow to be seen. She notices him... everything was too rapid for even a slight reaction... she sees him, a figure in dark, like a Diana's minion, ready to her deserved punishment... she stares, in absolute terror, incapable of letting a word espace from a once candid mouth... her color, fading away in seconds, the prelude to a faint, craved with the daring of the past condition, now obliviated, only remembered on her oniric path..........

In other words, Garrett enters a sleeping woman's room, wakes her up due to his clumsiness, KO's her and gets away with the loot.
Yes, it can be said in one sentence, yes we have that in all thief games. Are you trying to get a point across or just to show that you can type with lots of adjectives?

june gloom on 19/5/2006 at 18:16

Quote Posted by New Horizon

Then of course, this is further compounded when people who loved TDS confuse a sincere love and appreciation of the series, with hatred. I'm a huge fan of the series and I was extremely upset with what they did with TDS. I know it's an 'ok' game and better than a vast majority of the 'current' games out there...but that's hardly a consolation when the previous games were so much better...it's hard to go back to grits when you've been eating caviar. I realize it's a bit hard nosed to be so tough on TDS, but it's equally obtuse to start slinging insults at fans who have been with the series from the beginning and felt betrayed after Ion Storm promised the moon and instead gave us processed cheese. Sure, it tastes good in a sandwich, but it's not the real thing.

i'm of the opinion that while thief 3 could never be as great as classic thief, it comes damn close. yes, it's the runt of the litter, but i would expect nothing less from ion storm, which is basically a very hit-or-miss company.

i'm more disappointed with deus ex 2. far more.

Quote Posted by sparhawk

That's the difference between a zombie movie and Hitchcock.

the ironic thing is, i found night of the living dead rather unique compared to its successors in that there is very little in the way of actual gore; there is the fingers scene, and there's the "barbecue" scene, but much of the movie is human drama. i am a zombie fanatic so i'm not squeamish around gore, yet i hold this rather understated film in very high regard, not just in the zombie genre, not just the horror genre, but in film overall.

day of the dead is much more representative of the zombie genre. right down to the cheesiness.

june gloom on 19/5/2006 at 18:17

Quote Posted by Neil_McCauley

Horror movies nowadays are nothing more than torture porn.

i believe "splatterpunk" is the term for it. it's a phase; it'll go away after a few years. and you're forgetting the psych-horror of movies like silent hill or the ring.

sparhawk on 19/5/2006 at 18:55

Quote Posted by dethtoll

To be honest, I always found the Thief zombies much more frightening, then the movie zombies. Even though in Thief there was no real gore. in fact I when I watched "Day Of The Dead", I had to laugh most of the time, because it was so cheap and stereotypic. Don't know if that is a sign of me becoming to jaded, but somehow I can't take this kind of movies seriously. The Ring was much more frightening, even though it had not much of gore.

Domarius on 19/5/2006 at 20:30

Yep, the Ring is the scariest movie I've ever watched. All the fear and discomfort I experience when watching it occours in my head, from the imagery and what it MEANS. There seems to be so much more to "feel" in this moving than in splatterhouse movies - which are simply revulsion/shock in response to gore. Pretty basic.

Goldmoon Dawn on 19/5/2006 at 21:54

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

penetrated with such unrepite the refuge of a Lord's daughter. She was sleeping. He approachs her... immediatly noticing her milky tights, fragilly left on an uncatious stance... bared and sweet.............

Let's talk about this some more, ok? :cheeky:

Renault on 19/5/2006 at 22:59

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

Where's an example how 5 minutes of thief could have been... a whole more intense, carved in memory forever...

You are wacked, man. Besides the fact that your english is god awful, the passage you wrote had NOTHING to do with thief, or thieving. You could make this statment about any game out there.

"Here's what Half Life2 could have been..." and then post some ridiculous passage containing something that has nothing to do with the original game.

Hey, just give Neo a lightsaber and say, "Man, what a waste, this is how the Matrix COULD have been." Your logic is out in left field somewhere.

So, the question is, why are you lamenting that Thief isn't something that it was never supposed to be in the first place?

Martek on 19/5/2006 at 23:05

Quote Posted by Vincent_21

Women, for example. There arent any of them in Deadly Shadows! We got to have women, my friends!.. otherwise the whole plot seems senseless and uninteresting... made for acholytes in a sect who not even the vision of a dazzling female is allowed...

Damn I must have a really poor memory...