demagogue on 19/7/2009 at 03:25
Sheesh people, he just got older (as has the gaming industry, for that matter). He had that younger idealistic phase where he came up with many if not most of the best ideas that went into Thief and then SS2, only to see the company he loved get obliterated by bad business thinking. Fast forward a few years and he wants to rest on his laurals and live a little more comfortably. You could say the same thing about Warren Spector.
I'm not going to give them any blue ribbons for the direction their work took, but I'm not going to blame them either. We can still remember their past work fondly and don't have to tarnish it with naïveté about how people's lives and the industry change over time. And if we want to find the cutting edge work in our own time, we can look for it in the younger guys of today, and in places where the game industry is still a little less "tamed", like Eastern Europe.
Zygoptera on 19/7/2009 at 04:30
Quote Posted by gunsmoke
BTW...Zygoptera gettin' his history all fucked up itt.
Those who have been here more than five minutes remember that he was still answering questions in the SS2 forums (occasionally, to be sure, but that's far more than most devs manage especially off their own forums) way after it had stopped being sold anywhere except that one warehouse in Australia. He's also written the stories to three of the most well received game stories of all time- two of them when that actually
meant something. He doesn't really have much to prove, I'm afraid.
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I don't buy the idea that it was re-tooled late in development- Bioshock doesn't look like a game that was drastically altered at the last minute, and in any case, no mention of this was made.
We
know it was, and mention was made- from E3 2006 and Mr Klein's IGDA presentation. Both showed evidence that up until a minimum of 3/4 of the way through development a far more SS3 like game was in the offing.
Point being that if KL was saying 'you won't immediately be able to hack' at some point before that was changed then
he wasn't lying any more than me saying 'I live in New Zealand' suddenly becomes a retroactive lie if I move to the UK months later.
I'd also point out that the main 'marketing' done here in the most relevant (later) part of the development cycle was by
2kLiz who so far as I am aware has
never been back after release, not by KL, who has. And frankly, if you expect a game developer to be all 'yeah, our game is ok, some people might like it I guess' rather than Mr Ebullient the Personification of Enthusiasm and cannot apply a filter... well.
Mr.Duck on 19/7/2009 at 05:05
*Eats popcorn as he watches fanbois and haters fling poo over the place*
Serious BS itt.
nicked on 19/7/2009 at 07:27
I predict this will happen to Eidos Montreal when Thief 4 is released. Should be fun! :ebil:
Xenith on 19/7/2009 at 08:13
You and me both nicked. I wonder how many suicides will happen live on the forums.
henke on 19/7/2009 at 08:43
What demagogue said. Sad but true.
Taffer36 on 19/7/2009 at 08:46
I've looked around a bit (not on the forums, but interviews and E3 shows and such) and I think I get the general mentality.
Some of the things he spouted were clearly bullshit ("We dun want cookie-cutter AI"), but none of it that I've found so far really warrants the NERD RAGE that he seems to receive here. And looking back to the first E3 showing it hasn't changed very much. Oh, and that IGN interviewer is clearly a dick.
Again, maybe his asshatery received a 10x multiplier on his forum posts that I haven't read. Just going off of what little I've come across so far.
Xenith on 19/7/2009 at 08:48
Here we go with the "nerd rage"... :tsktsk:
Taffer36 on 19/7/2009 at 08:55
Quote Posted by Xenith
Here we go with the "nerd rage"... :tsktsk:
See below.
Quote Posted by gunsmoke
Fuck Ken Levine. He's a douchebag liar, and has no loyalty here. His loyalty is to his wallet. A rather thin one, at that.
