heywood on 13/8/2009 at 01:56
Quote Posted by Bjossi
Of course it doesn't, it is a different game entirely. To me the only thing they have in common is the first person view. :erg:
Post-disaster setting
Feeling of being alone
Enemies are crazy mutants
Story advanced through audio logs
Security cameras
Turrets & bots
Hackable security & containers
Research
Weapon mods
Specialized ammo types
Stat boosters
Magic powers
Vending machines
Resurrection devices
Central transport between levels
Starts out in medical level
Two competing adversaries
Not knowing who you're working for
Plot reveal 2/3 of the way into the game
Sure, there were differences like watered down RPG elements, no unified inventory, boss battles, a moral choice element, player aids and lack of difficulty. But Bioshock really was SS2 for the masses, or as close as we'll likely ever see.
Edit: I get your point though. Despite all the similarities, they somehow ended up feeling quite different. For me, SS2 was more atmospheric and a lot more satisfying to play.
Koki on 13/8/2009 at 06:35
Quote Posted by T-Smith
I'm actually in the same boat.
Except I was being fucking sarcastic you moron. Goddamn I read some pretty retarded bullshit on TTLG, but this one must take the cake. And in System Shock 2's tenth anniversary, no less.
Brethren's idea really sounds tempting now.
Xenith on 13/8/2009 at 07:29
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...it gets irritating when no one can so much as mention one positive aspect of BioShock without someone else bashing them. Most of the time it isn't "sharing opinions and observations". It's "People who like BioShock at all are idiots."
Tenkahubu on 13/8/2009 at 07:51
When I played BS I found that certain things reminded me of SS2, but I recognised very early that it was not SS3. From that point on I just played it as BS without trying to force it to fit my own desired shape.
The result is that it was by far the best game I've ever played on the xbox360.
I think the problem is when people were too unbending to actually play bioshock with out abandoning rigidly pre-fromed expectations.
Also, PC gamers would have had things like STALKER to use as a comparison, whereas xboxers had Halo3 etc.
As far as being a spiritual successor, while it did remind me of SS2 at times, it was nothing at all like SS1. Whatever the two shocks had in common was lost. So some might say that it was only the superficial elements of SS2 that translated.
Personally, I find the atmosphere in shocks so much better. The horror is stronger. BS's gruesome corpses lying around everywhere just don't do the job without some sort of human element added (well acted audiologs or ghosts) and just end up looking like loot chests to the player.
A better use of ghosts could have improved the horror or sadness quite a bit, I think.
Koki on 13/8/2009 at 07:52
They didn't fucking mention "one positive aspect of BioShock" they blatantly fucking stated that Bioshock is a better game than SS2. But yeah, go back to your "hurr durrr if you dont like bioshock ur a nma nerd fgt exbawks forevah" routine.
Xenith on 13/8/2009 at 07:55
How about directing that hate to those people instead of everyone for a change?
T-Smith on 13/8/2009 at 08:06
Quote Posted by Koki
They didn't fucking mention "one positive aspect of BioShock" they blatantly fucking stated that Bioshock is a better game than SS2. But yeah, go back to your "hurr durrr if you dont like bioshock ur a nma nerd fgt exbawks forevah" routine.
Except it doesn't come down to that at all. You don't like BioShock? That's fine. Everyone has an opinion and their own personal tastes. Take a look throughout TTLG though, and you'll find a theme. Those that don't like BioShock REALLY don't like it, and will go out of their way to make sure everyone knows how terrible it is and how anyone who likes it believes, as you put, "exbawks forevah". It's impossible for anyone to discuss, even on the BS forums, any part of the game without someone parading in and preaching the fall of intelligent game design and the rise of the console idiot. Critical discussion of the game is welcome. But with BioShock, most of the time is seems more like flat-out trolling than almost any game I've seen. Even the hatred for Invisible War, Deadly Shadows, and Fallout 3 doesn't nearly approach the level of that for BS.
The internet. Apparently, it's serious business.
Aja on 13/8/2009 at 08:10
uh, apparently you overlooked the memo: misspelling "xbox" is now the pinnacle of ironic insult
Vivian on 13/8/2009 at 08:15
The reason (as has been said MANY times) everyone here gets so worked up about bioshock is that we were pretty much flat-out told it was going to be as close to ss3 as they were allowed to make. And everyone here loves ss2. So when it wasn't, everyone faces the reality that ss3 is never going to happen, toys leave pram, angry people can't get beyond it not being what they wanted (I know I can't, much as I'd like to) and judge bioshock on it's own merits. It might be an awesome game if you weren't expecting it to be ss3 underwater, but I honestly can't tell because I was, and I was because I was told it was by the developers. So bah humbug etc.
Basically, you shouldn't believe the hype even if it does come from someone with an awesome track record. Lesson learned.
T-Smith on 13/8/2009 at 08:34
Quote Posted by Vivian
The reason (as has been said MANY times) everyone here gets so worked up about bioshock is that we were pretty much flat-out told it was going to be as close to ss3 as they were allowed to make. And everyone here loves ss2. So when it wasn't, everyone faces the reality that ss3 is never going to happen, toys leave pram, angry people can't get beyond it not being what they wanted (I know I can't, much as I'd like to) and judge bioshock on it's own merits. It might be an awesome game if you weren't expecting it to be ss3 underwater, but I honestly can't tell because I was, and I was because I was told it was by the developers. So bah humbug etc.
Basically, you shouldn't believe the hype even if it does come from someone with an awesome track record. Lesson learned.
And I don't think anyone who likes BioShock is denying that the pre-release hype train was hauling nothing but crap. It ran it's rounds around here, playing on the hopes and dreams of the TTLG crowd before BS came out. Then upon it's release it almost completely disappeared (though didn't fully, as Elizabeth's appearance last page proved). The promises were lies and the claims of SS3 were absolute garbage, the worst kind of marketing. You can play the two and see the similarities. But that doesn't change the fact that BioShock isn't anywhere close to a System Shock 3. Still, some DID enjoy the title that emerged. And those that did are typically treated like leapers, to be put on an island and separated from the general populace.
