Phatose on 12/7/2010 at 14:08
At any rate, I wasn't asking for easy mode. Gothic 2 vanilla is pretty brutal to begin with, and Night of the Raven made it more so. "Play Gothic 2 without NotR first, as NotR was balanced to challenge veteran players" was in practically every guide I saw.
The changes, for those of you who don't know, are stronger monsters, fewer herbs, increasing LP costs for stats (2 LP/point at 25+, 3LP/50+, 4LP/75+, 5LP/100+), increases stat requirements and damage for weapons, and reduced gold for selling items.
Nameless Voice on 12/7/2010 at 14:22
You're leaving out the fact that the entire world is now covered in stone tablets which give a permanent skill or attribute boost when read, plus there's an entire new region filled with monsters (more XP) and tons of good loot and plants. There are also more quests, areas, loot and enemies in the main parts of the island. I'd say it roughly balances out in the end. The beginning may be slightly harder, but it balances out once you get to Jharkendar.
Though of course this is speculation based on what I know is added in NotR - I never played the game without it.
If you've played Gothic 1, you should be used to the way the game works and shouldn't have too much trouble with it. If you haven't played Gothic 1... you should!
GRRRR on 12/7/2010 at 14:37
Why would you want to, NdR is a great expansion. Also what Renzatic says it puts a dude at the start who pretty much gives you stuff and helps you kill bandits where only wolves were in vanilla. And you just can steal your first armor now instead of having to scrape together money, so its actually easier to start out.
Also yes, Gothic in general isnt nice and it kills you alot and it doesnt give a shit that youre totally the hero. When you start out you gotta know what to avoid (if you see something new, save, run up to it, if youre dead fast avoid until later) and carefully tiptoe your way around the wilderness (and thats just the preamble to Gothic survival 101). But when the time comes where you can flatten 5 orc elites (and more) in a row youll remember your humble beginnings and laugh and laugh and laugh :ebil:
Risen is pretty much as Gothic (1/2) as it gets only alot smaller.
Phatose on 12/7/2010 at 15:40
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
You're leaving out the fact that the entire world is now covered in stone tablets which give a permanent skill or attribute boost when read, plus there's an entire new region filled with monsters (more XP) and tons of good loot and plants. There are also more quests, areas, loot and enemies in the main parts of the island. I'd say it roughly balances out in the end. The beginning may be slightly harder, but it balances out once you get to Jharkendar.
Though of course this is speculation based on what I know is added in NotR - I never played the game without it.
If you've played Gothic 1, you should be used to the way the game works and shouldn't have too much trouble with it. If you haven't played Gothic 1... you should!
I've got some stone tablets, yes. Unfortunately, I can't seem to actually use them for anything. Just get told I can't read that. What's the trick?
Papy on 12/7/2010 at 16:23
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Yeah real men enjoy being flattened 3 steps outside starter town! /flex
I think it's more real men do not believe the world is like Disneyland and they do not act like a little boy who believe mommy will care for him.
Quote Posted by Phatose
"Play Gothic 2 without NotR first, as NotR was balanced to challenge veteran players" was in practically every guide I saw.
As Nameless Voice said, you should play Gothic 1 before Gothic 2.
Quote Posted by GRRRR
Why would you want to, NdR is a great expansion.
I can give a good reason for that... Vanilla Gothic 2 is already a long game, and NotR make things "worse". Personally, I felt G2:NotR had too much grinding (I'm among the people who think G1 was better).
Sulphur on 12/7/2010 at 16:42
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I think it's more real men do not believe the world is like Disneyland and they do not act like a little boy who believe mommy will care for him.
Yes, because
real men sit at home and continually press buttons whilst watching a screen to prove their manhood.
Nameless Voice on 12/7/2010 at 16:53
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I've got some stone tablets, yes. Unfortunately, I can't seem to actually use them for anything. Just get told I can't read that. What's the trick?
You have to get one of the water mages to teach you how to read them first. You'll probably have a hard time getting there are early levels, though.
Renzatic on 12/7/2010 at 17:26
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Yes, because
real men sit at home and continually press buttons whilst watching a screen to prove their manhood.
It's not just that. You also gotta shoot straight whiskey then punch yourself in the face while playing. If you're not stone cold drunk and sporting two black eyes alongside a few missing teeth by the end of your Gothic sessions, you're not doing it right.
Also I think there's a mechanical bull and a hooker in there somewhere, but I don't remember all the exact details. I was blacking out alot and coughing up blood by the point they came along.
addink on 12/7/2010 at 18:06
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
You'll probably have a hard time getting there are early levels, though.
Not really,
early on in the city, talk to Vatras, then talk to Lares about the circle of water. IIRC Lares will give you a small task (arrange a replacement for him to keep an eye on the docks) and after completing that that he's willing to take you to the pyramid.GRRRR on 12/7/2010 at 18:11
Quote Posted by Papy
Vanilla Gothic 2 is already a long game, and NotR make things "worse". Personally, I felt G2:NotR had too much grinding (I'm among the people who think G1 was better).
An expansion makes a game longer :confused:
Smart arsing aside, cant follow that reasoning. In the latter stages of the game doing pest control of repopulated areas yet again does get old but at that point its easy and not that necessary. In the beginning youd want the safe paths, reaching new areas or plain xp and monies/item just like in any other Rpg. If your issue is that you gotta kill lots of stuff to get anywhere, cant remember Gothic 1 being different (or vanilla G2). v:erg:v
