Goldmoon Dawn on 22/8/2006 at 06:10
Heh, I've always known the Hammers to be the Guards from the Ultimas...
People could learn a whole lot about Thief and the Hammers by simply going back through some of the Ultimas and a few other titles.
:)
Selete on 22/8/2006 at 13:20
Quote Posted by Vigil
No, that's just intended as a coy way of referring to sex I think, not meant to emphasise that he was
wasting time by doing so. It's not elaborated why the Hammerites would object to fornication so strongly (as the following verses indicate they do) but it's not hard to find parallels in real-life religions about the moral dangers of lust and temptation.
Forgive me if I missed something, but which following verses? ^^;
Vigil on 22/8/2006 at 13:35
The ones following it in the original text. In full, the passage is:
Quote:
Hammerite Compendium of Precepts, Regimens and Rules of Conduct, Vol. 36
Time once past, the harlot did say to the priest
"Tarry a while, and wait upon thy duties"
and the priest did tarry.
And then was the harlot scourged with birch branches,
and was the priest crushed beneath the great gears,
for the path of righteousness leads ever upwards,
to where it is perilous to fall.
Mind you, I hadn't recalled the "wait upon thy duties" bit when I originally posted, and you're right in that it does give a "don't slack off" aspect to the whole thing. I don't think that's the
only intent of the parable, though.
Goldmoon Dawn on 22/8/2006 at 14:00
A few examples of Crimes and Punishments (reminiscent of the Cragscleft logs) from Garriots world:
Participating in public disturbances aimed at undermining the state, destruction of public property, making threats against prominent members of the community, plotting the assassination of her ladyship, buccaneering, and other vile acts of treachery. Punishment: 100 lashes, then death by beheading.
Committing statutory rape, public intoxication, striking a guardsman with a wooden club, wounding him, pillaging the poor, and an assortment of other treacherous acts. Punishment: Death by beheading. Also fined 250 coins.
Sales of weapons without a permit from the state, passing counterfeit coins, defrauding widows of their inheritance, public intoxication, poaching on the grounds of the palace, brigandage. Punishment: Fined, flogged, then Death by beheading.
Inciting and spreading ideologies contrary to the state, participating in public disturbances aimed at undermining the government, swindling the public through the sales of fake gems, privateering, purloining, pilfering, pick pocketing, and an assortment of other acts of treachery, too many to mention here. Punishment: Death by beheading.
Researching into forbidden subjects, disobeying royal orders to cease all probings into such studies, the pilfering of books from the state's library, and acts of treachery too treacherous in nature that they may not be listed here. Punishment: Death by beheading.
Of course, these are from Pagan (Ultima VIII). Much deeper and better examples abound in the 3 games previous.
Ardesco on 22/8/2006 at 23:11
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
Death by beheading.
For the Hammerites, wouldn't they use Death by Giant Hammer? :cheeky:
themetalian on 22/8/2006 at 23:26
Quote Posted by Ardesco
For the Hammerites, wouldn't they use Death by Giant Hammer? :cheeky:
How would they *actually* behead a person's head with a giant hammer?:weird: Wouldn't they just result in squishing it? Or maybe squish it, and THEN behead it afterwards? The possibilities are endless! :cheeky:
I think I have discovered a flaw in the Hammerites' ways of punishment :p
Raven on 23/8/2006 at 07:41
It is blunt you idiot - it will HURT more!
dlw6 on 23/8/2006 at 11:35
Quote Posted by Vigil
it does give a "don't slack off" aspect to the whole thing. I don't think that's the
only intent of the parable, though.
I see three lessons from this parable:
* slacking off is bad (the priest was punished severely)
* fornication is bad (the harlot was punished too)
* the hammer was punished worse because he was a hammer and is expected to meet a higher standard of behavior
Don
Vigil on 23/8/2006 at 11:55
Yeah, I agree with that assessment. It's an open question whether the Hammerites considered the slacking or the fornication a worse sin, but I would hold with the latter simply by historical comparison and the viciousness of the punishment.
Ardesco on 23/8/2006 at 15:32
Quote Posted by Raven
It is blunt you idiot - it will HURT more!
That's not what he says, Raven. He says, "Because it's dull, you twit! It'll HURT more!" :cheeky:
Okay, now class. You all must use the word TWIT in at least one sentence today... Preferably NOT in reference to me!!! :o
