faetal on 5/2/2015 at 12:09
Your half-rimmed spectacles just levelled up.
Manwe on 5/2/2015 at 14:10
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I note though that in all of your criticism against pressure to eradicate sexism and homophobia, you don;t actually state your actual stance on sexism and homophobia. Without contrasting information, it's beginning to look like you're opposed to backlash because you don't support equality for women and homosexuals. If you do, go right ahead and correct me. Either way, it seems lazy to lump it all together as "SJWs" and then use the most extreme examples of that as a sh
You sound like an anti-semite and a racist to me. I've never heard you oppose the Nazi regime vocally. Do you think what Hitler did to the Jews was right? Do you think that the same thing should be done to black people? Is that what you think? Do you have proof to the contrary? Are you ready to testify in a court of law to the contrary? I haven't seen you publish a book to condemn Hitler's ideas. Therefore you must be in agreement with them. Those are some dangerous thoughts you're harboring, you know, I'm reporting you to the nearest police station asap for deviant thoughts.
PS: strawman arguments, ad hominem, and now a Godwin point, am I getting getting the hang of this internet debate thing or what?
froghawk on 5/2/2015 at 15:55
Your criticism would only apply if the person in question had been incessently criticizing people who criticized hitler. Then, yes, there would be reason to question if that person hated jews, just as there is reason to question Tony right now.
Because the weird thing about Tony is that, as faetal pointed out, he's obsessed. He has more moral outrage than anyone else on this board, and yet it's always directed towards people's moral outrage. Odd innit? I wonder if he's been falsely accused of rape or something, because I don't see any other reason why someone would be this fixated on this.
faetal on 5/2/2015 at 18:06
Manwe, you're missing a lot of context. Tony has a real thing about how outrage about homophobia and sexism is some corporate conspiracy to undermine pro gay marriage competitors or something.
Tony_Tarantula on 5/2/2015 at 20:02
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equality for women and homosexuals. If you do, go right ahead and correct me. Either way, it seems lazy to lump it all together as "SJWs" and then use the most extreme examples of that as a shortcut to dismissing all forms of social justice.
I support equality, not special protections and government mandated affirmative action programs, the right to constantly be in your face, and militant censorship. My gripes with them are documented elsewhere. Not only are most (about 3/4) of the ones I've met raging hypocrites (in private they talk about women in a way that is the epitome of "rape culture", don't like interact with black people, and only have token relationships with LGBT) but they don't really want equality. They just want to use people from "under priviliged" groups as tokens they can shut down debate with.
They act the way they do for the same reason that the one Harvard guy everyone knows can never STFU about having gone to Harvard. It's all about trying to make sure other people know you're better than them:
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Rofl, Tony had been doing so well lately and now he had to go and strawman me to death while spouting a bunch of nonsense. Shame.
To clarify, no, I did not mean that developers need to publicly clarify their intentions in the slightest. I hadn't even thought of that option. I meant that internally they should have a good sense of what they're trying to accomplish by portraying what they're portraying, because I really feel like most lack that.
Apologies. I was going off of the literal meaning of what you said.
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And what is even remotely contradictory about calling CoD a military simulator? For the record, I personally know people that used it in training - I did not pull that out of my ass.
They're bullshitting you. The only system the US military uses (not counting advanced flight and vehicle simulators) is a modified version of ARMA called "Virtual Battle Space"
They do however use it at recruiting events. Perhaps that's what he meant?
Tony_Tarantula on 5/2/2015 at 20:08
Anyways, last comment in this thread. Let's take it somewhere else.
Better described here:
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http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/) Stuff White People Like, # 101: Being offended.
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White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”
Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it's social death.
Manwe on 5/2/2015 at 20:57
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Manwe, you're missing a lot of context.
Probably, I have no idea what his opinions are on the matter, but I think in a sane society we should still be allowed to criticize the whole LGBTQXAZERTY movement without being burned alive.
And to deviate the thread further, if you want my opinion, yes, the whole trans movement is just fucked up. I mean we all know where it comes from (Corporate America, aka Hell on Earth), and we all know it essentially aims to destroy (quite litteraly) the last thing identifying us as humans and individuals. And we all welcome it with open arms as a liberating and progressive thing... Remind me why so many people who undergo sex reassignment commit suicide again? Ah, yes because the rest of the population is sooo intolerant. Certainly not because their body was butchered by unscrupulous surgeons, no that would be too simple an explanation.
If you think that monstrosity, taken straight out of 1984, fights for the rights of any minority, you're sadly mistaken. And I think it would be in the best interest of any sane person whether gay, lesbian, female or whatever else to distance themselves from this thing. But what do I know ? I'm just a straight white male (also now officially, <strike>homophobic/mysoginistic</strike> Nazi).
froghawk on 5/2/2015 at 21:00
Tony... so what about all the nonwhite people who want social justice? Also, it's bad to try to help now?
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
I support equality, not special protections and government mandated affirmative action programs, the right to constantly be in your face, and militant censorship. My gripes with them are documented elsewhere. Not only are most (about 3/4) of the ones I've met raging hypocrites (in private they talk about women in a way that is the epitome of "rape culture", don't like interact with black people, and only have token relationships with LGBT) but they don't really want equality. They just want to use people from "under priviliged" groups as tokens they can shut down debate with.
They act the way they do for the same reason that the one Harvard guy everyone knows can never STFU about having gone to Harvard. It's all about trying to make sure other people know you're better than them:
So you've met some assholes and now you're gonna generalize that to a whole group? Not cool man.
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And to deviate the thread further, if you want my opinion, yes, the whole trans movement is just fucked up. I mean we all know where it comes from (Corporate America, aka Hell on Earth), and we all know it essentially aims to destroy (quite litteraly) the last thing identifying us as humans and individuals.
What the hell? When did this place get overrun by nutters?
Tony_Tarantula on 5/2/2015 at 21:51
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Tony... so what about all the nonwhite people who want social justice? Also, it's bad to try to help now?
Until you define "social justice" and "trying to help", your statement has no meaning. A lot of "social justice" activists are as much about social justice as the Ku Klux Klan was about "the rights of southern citizens"
