How does Garrett's stealth work?

BioGenx2b on 11/9/2009 at 17:10

Quote Posted by jtr7

Pure skill... duh! Plus, whatever gift he has that the Keepers keep bringing it up and are fascinated with. That's the only unknown in the canon about this topic.

It's not an opinion. It's literally knowing what is stated or not, and not knowing what is stated in the canon is not a bad thing, but this poll is making opinion more important.

He had nothing to do with the Glyphs, nor could he, having turned his back on them, until Day 3 of the events of TDS, when he finally performed his Acolyte Ritual and was granted the Glyphs for the first time. Once you know that, it's like...Duh! I mean... Duh!:laff:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Jarvis on 11/9/2009 at 18:36

This is something I've devoted a decent amount of training and practice to myself. When I say that, I don't mean I've just trained it in my back yard with some other Thief fan boy. I've gone to the Tracker School and other wilderness survival schools and sought real stalking training. Against both animals and people.

There's an important and little known concept in stealth training known as deadspace. I can't really go deeply into it now because I have to run for work. I'd be happy to do a write up for you guys later if you're interested. But in brief, deadspace is based in human awareness and psychology. It works very well hand in hand with shadows and camouflage, but it doesn't explicitly require it.

For example, I've managed to disappear from a friend in a small apartment room when he stepped out for a moment. When her returned, he stepped right by me. I followed in behind him, and he nearly sat on me when he tried to sit down on the couch. He saw my foot when he turned as I hadn't been fast enough to get underneath his turning vision.

I've trained other friends of mine. One used deadspace to have two friends walk right by him. at which point he followed them upstairs and started looking for him in his room. They were surprised when he called to them from behind, as they were certain he went up the stairs *before* them.

In both of the cases, the room was well lit and no camo was used at all. It's all just understanding human awareness patterns, and understanding how the eye functions.

I believe the "keeper" training Garrett received is just really advanced deadspace skills. This is reflected by the way he can hide in a sliver of shadow in an otherwise well lit room.

Now I know LGS didn't know anything about deadspace, and Garrett's positioning in game does not follow real Deadspace principles unless by pure accident. The connection to deadspace is just in my mind, because it makes perfect sense that they would understand it, practice it, and train it.

I have to run to work. More later if anyone is interested.

Namdrol on 11/9/2009 at 18:50

Very very interested.
I spend a lot of time with people who train themselves to watch their minds (some of them have been at it since childhood).
Some of these guys can be, or not be, exactly where they want/need to be in space/time.
Difficult to understand what I mean without seeing it.

Beleg Cúthalion on 11/9/2009 at 19:01

In the GameSpy interview Garrett clearly says that even if the Keepers got some magical stuff to hide themselves, he never had access to it.

Outlooker on 11/9/2009 at 19:19

Count me in as highly interested.

Edit:
The only quick reference I could find on "dead space" was in an army manual:
(http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/camo_and_concealment/camouflage-concealment-and-decoys-discipline.shtml)

Here is the whole document:
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/15654775/FM-203-Camouflage)

The military aspect is somewhat weird, but then actual valuable research on that subject is hard to get generally.
As much as I wish there would be some "thiefy" organisation that keeps/researches that kind of lore specifically, the most promising and real
bet is on real world military and intelligence (it's hard enough to get the good know how however).

What I know definitely is there are organisations which specialise professionally in security issues like locks and alarms bypassing: You may look up Marc Tobias, John Falle and a whole lot of others.

ZylonBane on 11/9/2009 at 19:32

Quote Posted by Subjective Effect

However, people at Eidos forums are saying that it is glyph magic that keeps him hidden.

The Eidos forums are an incoherent sludge of human stupidity, and the very expression "glyph magic" makes me stabby. So this thread and poll are pure fail.

Outlooker on 11/9/2009 at 19:46

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

The Eidos forums are an incoherent sludge of human stupidity, and the very expression "glyph magic" makes me stabby. So this thread and poll are pure fail.

Pfff. "Human stupidity" was always there and in good health. The internet makes it just more ... visible. Like anything else one can experience over the net.

ZylonBane on 11/9/2009 at 20:20

Quote Posted by Outlooker

Pfff. "Human stupidity" was always there and in good health. The internet makes it just more ... visible.

If you're attempting to argue that all parts of the internet are equally stupid, I very much doubt you'll find anyone who agrees with you.

Outlooker on 11/9/2009 at 20:40

Oh, and speaking of the art of not being seen:
A hunting pal of my uncle used to wear some kind of those:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7Ehj7eG65Q/SoR2rMEEKuI/AAAAAAAABEg/nO45ZH73vzI/s1600-h/13rdp22.jpg)

He has stories of strollers by that urinated 2m next to him (woman too, childish story,ahem...)
without ever noticing him.
Its not too Garrett-like, but is roughly about stealth, so I told the story.

R Soul on 11/9/2009 at 20:47

All I see is a machine gun floating in a forest :confused: