jtr7 on 25/4/2008 at 07:27
Thanks for the info, Beleg.
And yeah, a purposeful misinterpretation, caught and corrected (though Caduca didn't necessarily know it was purposeful). :sly:
Beleg Cúthalion on 25/4/2008 at 10:52
In fact the first translation is closer to the very intention. In her second try she increases the number of affected persons.
Quote:
cad_idle8: "I wish to check with the Histories, Gamall. Maybe there is something in Ogilvy's Dark Ages that refers to the one who has been hidden. Hmm? Let us check there. As always you shall be my eyes...."
That reminds me a lot of the blind Jorge de Burgos in Eco's
The Name of the Rose. Somewhere before the ending William and Adson are checking the library's registry and re-construct the former librarians and their assistants from their handwritings. Old Jorge is at the time of action the one with the greatest knowledge of the whole place, but he's blind as Caduca.
The other idle sayings contain little imitations as you already hinted, but everyone should be able to find the Roman/Indo-European counterparts. Interesting that it seems like she (could have) made progress between idle4 and 5. But there's no proof for that.
And I'm sorry we're far away by now from two questions about glyphs.
jtr7 on 25/4/2008 at 17:32
Again, more intriguing concepts, Beleg.
Mightn't this be used to inform an answer for what the glyphs are and what their powers are? The glyphs have multiple uses and purposes, most are prophecy/instruction, but others are for specific utilitarian purposes. But anyway, did danielsohn get the desired answers to begin with?
van HellSing on 25/4/2008 at 18:31
The warped/mock latin is quite easy to decipher even though I don't know latin at all. Especially that the translations are already somewhat given. For example, Fratel i Traderus is quite obviously Brethren and Betrayer - Fratel is a corruption of Frater, while Traderus is mock latin: Traderus->Trader->Traitor.
jtr7 on 25/4/2008 at 18:35
Yes.:thumb:
Beleg Cúthalion on 25/4/2008 at 19:22
I like the "Propheticus". Sounds like a standard work. Ah, I still have that reader about literary hermeneutics and no time to study it. :(
Speaking about prophecy, with respect to biblical prophets we might assume that the keeper prophets (if they were among the keepers at all) did not foretell the future primarily, but put both past and present into a larger context pointing to some inevitable fate. However, this is pure visionariness. Maybe I'll create some pieces of highly-intellectual fanon somewhere in the future... :rolleyes:
About the glyphs, it might be worth repeating for danielelsohn that they are comparable to runes which carry both "literal" and magical meaning. Apparently (well, in fact not really apparently) the glyphs are not limited to the keepers, who have, however, become their main ...well...keepers.
jtr7 on 25/4/2008 at 19:28
:cheeky: :D
Gambit on 26/4/2008 at 00:42
This bears an interesting question...
Did the Keepers invented the glyths or did they simply discovered them somewhere else ?
I believe (personal interpretation) that it´s a Keeper invention, but that it can be used by non-keepers. Just like anyone can summon the undead by reading the book of ash without being a necromancer or putting the soul of a ghost to rest without being a hammerite
Although I think that the more powerful glyths need a little bit more of study before being used. Garrett learned the "open passages" glyth quickly but he probably didn´t have the patience to spend years reading books to get that firebolt glyth that the elders use.
jtr7 on 26/4/2008 at 00:56
There's vague talk about "discovering" a glyph, which seems related to Invertamus, if it's not Invertamus. No clue to how it was found. I don't know if the Keepers kept drawing shapes to see what they would unlock, or if there's a physical source of ancient glyphs where they have been uncovered almost archeologically.
From AULgamalljournal: "Decades, centuries past. I remember the day Somersault found the glyph. My glyph. And I knew, even I signed the covenant never to touch it, that it would be mine. It called to me. It sang me its song. Then it was foolish, trusting Vandolyn who shared with us his insight to use the glyphs against the accelerated aging. And it worked. Better than I hoped. And now I am more than any of them could have imagined."
