CCCToad on 10/9/2013 at 02:20

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Nor does just calling something "satire" mean it has a free license to do whatever it wants......sometimes the satire itself can have a pretty stupid, or worse, downright evil point.


On another note, THIS is how you do satire:

(http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153625/child-tracker) http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153625/child-tracker

This is a piss-poor attempt at Satirizing a similar topic that lacks any depth beyond "rape jokes are funny!"

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_0u0qzDTq8) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_0u0qzDTq8

Yakoob on 10/9/2013 at 04:09

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Queue wins the thread; I love rejected cartoons :D

henke on 10/9/2013 at 05:46

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I had to take a look at Seth McFarlane's Oscar opening speech on youtube. Eh... not terrible I guess? Most of the jokes were pretty hit and miss. The sockpuppet Flight parody was great though. :D As were the William Shatner timetravel bits.



Uh... yes, racism. That was the joke! Did you even watch the thing or are you just getting all this secondhand from some humorless grump on the internet? Seth saying that Denzel would probably have a sense of humor about a blackface joke since he was pretty funny in those Nutty Professor movies was one of the genuinely funny jokes of the opening.

june gloom on 10/9/2013 at 10:41

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What the hell are you talking about? Satire can be rubbish, yeah, and it's still satire, but that doesn't mean it works as satire if it's rubbish.

This is why I hate arguing with you, you make completely insane statements like this, and then have the balls to tell me I can't debate. There's nothing to debate, I might as well be trying to explain theology to a three year old. I swear you're valedictorian at the Jashin school of debate, especially since you get nasty and aggressive when people try to disengage.

I actually take back what I said about you obviously caring about Seth MacFarlane enough to white-knight him like this. I'm not sure it actually bothers you when I bash Seth MacFarlane specifically. The thing is, your viewpoints are typically so blinkered, so egocentric (you do a lot of self-projecting, i.e. if you find it funny then it must be objectively funny, and you like to inject yourself into sociopolitical issues such as anything to do with women's rights -- you immediately say "what about the men?" when you actually mean "what about me?") that they merely default to boilerplate privilege-blindness common to conservatism. So to you, Seth MacFarlane's humor is the height of comedy therefore it isn't offensive at all, and anyone who does find it offensive is just an oversensitive nancy.

Reality doesn't work that way, I'm afraid.

faetal on 10/9/2013 at 11:25

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Wow. I was going to backtrack a little on my "cartoons can't be commentary" comment (ZB is right, that was a dumb swat at the argument born of haste), but things have moved on so much and become so heated, that there isn't a point. Debate is best held calmly if possible. Once any side is too entrenched, it becomes next to psychologically impossible to gain any ground regardless of who is in the right. In this topic though, too much is subjective anyway (whether something is funny or not depends on the audience) for there to be a way to arrive at a consensus. I find (found is more technically correct since I haven't watched past a point) Family Guy funny.

FG is ridiculous. I don't know how to extract any meaning from it because it is a chaotic maelstrom of ridiculousness. Everyone in it is the butt of a joke. Everything in it is the butt of a joke. The stereotypes portrayed are pure lampoon, which YOU CAN NOT DO, without creating an entity to espouse the views you are lampooning. Seriously Dethtoll, do you think the only way to ridicule racism, sexism etc.. is to have some variation of essentially saying "racism is bad"? No, you have to create an agent for the illustration of that badness. Peter Griffin's sexism is essentially mocking of sexism - I don't understand how anyone couldn't see that. The whole thing is just too stupid. South Park may do it a bit better, but fucked if I'm going to feel bad for finding FG funny, nor would I lie about finding it funny just because someone's saying "it's horribly racist" when I've not seen a single piece of objectionable content that wasn't pretty obvious lampooning of purveyors of said content.