Renzatic on 11/9/2013 at 07:51
You can speak of nuance, perspective, juxtaposition, and all that other bullshit all you want. All that matters is I think it's racist, sexist, and homophobic, and no one argument is gonna change my mind.
MY FOOT HAS BEEN PUT DOWN, PEOPLE! PUT! FUCKING! DOWN! NO REASON TO DISCUSS IT! MY MIND IS MADE UP!
SHUT UP! :mad:
Sulphur on 11/9/2013 at 07:53
Quote Posted by dethtoll
What's to ignore?
That amazing blind spot of yours around certain parts of yourself is a wonderful defense mechanism. Maybe it's what keeps you relatively sane through the bullshit that goes on around you, but it also makes you oblivious to the bullshit that courses out of you. Of course, you won't see this post, because you're essentially blind to it. But that's the way it is, and it's not going to change, is it.
faetal on 11/9/2013 at 09:17
Quote Posted by dethtoll
This is so completely off-base and insulting. So not liking an unfunny show with unfunny misogynist jokes means I'm some sort of tumblr social justice crusader?
Fuck you all, I'm so disappointed in you. Some of you are smarter than this. I'm done with this conversation.
I took it to mean that it's perfectly ordinary to not like stuff, just that you don't need to manufacture underlying social and political dysfunction to justify it. There's nothing insulting in Henke's words or tone.
faetal on 11/9/2013 at 09:25
Cherry-picking.
Confirmation bias.
False syllogisms (some FG fans were rabid on Twitter, therefore FG fans are rabid)
You seriously don't think anyone could do the same with South Park & The Simpsons? This is not how you analyse information - you look at the whole thing and you use the dominant trends to characterise it, not take every instance of something you didn't like and make like that is the whole picture.
Seriously, how did you just let yourself use this as an argument? You realise as well that you put yourself into a falsification disadvantage by saying that FG isn't subtle, because all anyone has to do to falsify that is to produce an example. But no number of links you post about why it
isn't subtle will be enough until you cover most of the entire show. This is pretty basic logic.
SubJeff on 11/9/2013 at 10:25
Quote Posted by CCCToad
One of the few FG jokes I actually thought was funny, but I'm not going to defend it as anything more than stupid gag humor.
Can you clarify which one you mean? You have two links above this line and two below.
This is getting so meta. You can't just pluck scenes out of the air ask for the subtlety in them. Some of those are slapstick, plays on words, or simple "subverting expectations" jokes (the Army vs Marines one, which I really like). Its meta because you and dethtoll are on the same "side" here, yet you're posting the kind of stuff he flames you about.
june gloom on 11/9/2013 at 10:43
Quote Posted by faetal
I took it to mean that it's perfectly ordinary to not like stuff, just that
you don't need to manufacture underlying social and political dysfunction to justify it. There's nothing insulting in Henke's words or tone.
This is probably the single biggest thing that pisses me off the most here, the accusation that my moral outrage isn't sincere and I'm just trying to score PC points. That is extremely insulting, and just because you can claim it's not insulting doesn't mean I'm magically un-insulted. I'm not trying to get in some feminist's pants, guys. I'm saying the shit I say about Family Guy and whatever else I find
really really skeevy about the media we consume (yes,
even the stuff
I like) because I
mean it. I've been paying a
lot more attention to the media I consume, because nothing happens in a vacuum. It supports and reinforces views and norms, good or bad. Family Guy's misogynist jokes may or may not be satire, but it's not funny, it has no substance to it beyond "hey this joke is really misogynist, eh? eh?" and -- no offense to henke, btw, despite his insults -- most of its fans are too stupid to realize it for satire however weak it may be and it just reinforces the misogynist views they've been taught by the
rest of media. (And no, faetal, I'm not talking large-scale misogyny like "women are things that belong in the kitchen and exist to be physically subjugated etc. etc. etc." -- this is more of the soft misogyny of patriarchy where men and women alike are conditioned to believe that women (and men) should dress and behave in a certain way and have been since society began.)
Sulphur likes to blather on about blind spots but the truth is the real blind spots are the ones that lead people to completely take media at face value without thinking about the messages, intended or unintended, that it conveys.
Though I don't know
what Subjeff's problem is. Every other post of his lately is like a Daily Mail headline, "WOMEN IN VIDEO GAMES? POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!"
SubJeff on 11/9/2013 at 11:05
Quote Posted by dethtoll
most of its fans are too stupid to realize it for satire however weak it may be and it just reinforces the misogynist views they've been taught by the
rest of media
Sadly true of all satire. There are probably some dumb neo-nazis who think The Producers is great for all the wrong reasons.
Harvester on 11/9/2013 at 11:16
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Sadly true of all satire. There are probably some dumb neo-nazis who think The Producers is great for all the wrong reasons.
True story: for a while I lived with a housemate who was a racist Lonsdale wearing skinhead and he often listened to Bill Hicks's "Hitler had the right idea" speech, believing that Hicks was being serious.
Vivian on 11/9/2013 at 11:16
So, is it ok to have misogyny as a dramatic or comedic device or not? If not, well, why not? It's an aspect of human social psychology. Seems as up for grabs as racism, classism, ageism, misanthropy in general.
SubJeff on 11/9/2013 at 11:23
Quote Posted by Harvester
racist Lonsdale wearing skinhead
I shaved my head with a Gillette blade 2 days ago and I happen to be wearing a Londsale zip up, right now!
