demagogue on 11/9/2013 at 13:28

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Well I went to 9-11 at the corner of MacDougal & 4th Street: I saw two or three people standing looking south, one of them a classmate. I didn't have to ask what they were looking at because you could see the gaping hole & smoke coming from it right off. I didn't see the first plane fly over, but they said it had just flown over our heads very low, like skimming-the-tops-of-buildings low. I still wonder how I could have missed it. Other people are starting to join our little group now. Because it was hard to judge the perspective, I figured it was Cessna sized... So I asked them if it was, and my classmate insisted he thought it was a commercial airliner sized -- but it didn't sound right, and he even started second-guessing himself. I called home & told my parents; they might or might not hear about it in the news. I still thought at best it'd make the local latenight news as a side story: Local pilot goes mental. This went on for about 20 minutes or so.

It was the combination of a taxi passing by with the window down & the radio reporting the Pentagon hit & the second explosion--which at the time I didn't know was a plane (because it came from the backside), but after the smoke cleared a bit it was at least clear it didn't come from the same place as the first explosion, as an after-explosion or whatever--before the idea something was amiss even entered my mind.

Nicker on 11/9/2013 at 16:05

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Just to note - we are now witnessing jokes, which would have been no more than a self effacing chuckle in any other thread, being interpreted as opportunities to give and / or take offense.

We now have skittish, self censorship in a community where, normally, risque and even "offensive" interpersonal humour is the norm.

That and THIS -


Thank you, faetal but your words have already fallen on deaf ears.

Queue on 11/9/2013 at 16:21

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Certainly, don't forget the halloumi.

... or else you're a gay Cracker racist Negro who hates cartoons and Islamic Jews and Tom and Jerry, and wants to burn the dictionary to protect the world from words, and hates cheese.

Yakoob on 11/9/2013 at 17:51

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Dethtoll, I don't mean to further bag on you or insult, but have you considered that, given this is not the first "deth vs. TTLG" debate, statistically, there might be a kernel of truth in others opinions?

You don't need to respond or acknowledge me saying this, but just take a step back and take an objective look at these and consider that maybe it's not always "everyone else" that is wrong all the time?



Well, it DOES rely on racism/sexism a lot since if those concepts didnt exists, the jokes wouldn't make sense. But that does not mean FG perpetuates racism/sexism OR that it doesn't have other jokes outside of these as well (which it definitely does).

Sulphur on 11/9/2013 at 21:21

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Enough.

dethtoll, I don't really care if you're doing this to score points with the politically correct brigade out of some misguided need brought on by shit that's happened to you in the past, or out of an actual inborn need to correct social wrongs because there's loftily high moral fibre in you.

You don't get to lecture people on what's politically correct, because you are the furthest of us from being able to do so unironically. While you're waging your little war on Family Guy, a show I have no interest in or want to watch, because it makes misogynistic jokes, you choose to ignore the fact that you're comfortable being casually racist with your jokes, or that you'd outcurse a sailor any day of the fucking week. People are colossal motherfuckers when they don't let things go, right?

Just because few people have raised issue with your - "You're Polish!", "He's a dirty Mexican", "Have you taken your daily trudge in the gange yet?" jokes doesn't mean it's not a problem. It means we have the grace to let it go because it's usually a joke*, no matter how often you lob it at us, and you're a friend, not that you're a comedian whose humour quotient outweighs the offensiveness factor of the jokes. And, let's make no bones about this, you revel in offensive and tasteless jokes. How's that latest ZSA single coming along?

Your moral crusade could be acceptable if it didn't come off as tiresome bellyaching from someone who's hardly the poster child for political correctness from all the time we've known you. Even if you were the second coming of the messiah somehow, that wouldn't change how each post you make on this topic is painfully ineffective whinging or misguided lecturing at best, unless you were possessed of the ability to cast textual miracles.

If you actually do care so much about women's rights and equality, there is only one thing for you to do: pick your ass up off that chair and go do something about it. Yeah, I know you live in a shithole, and I know you've got a disability. I'm sorry you're not as lucky as Douche McDougle in the tuxedo on Wall Street with the pomaded hair and the blonde supermodel's hand nestling in the crook of his arm, but there's people far worse off than you who've decided to make the best of what they have, and make a difference while they're at it. You just have to work harder than the majority of people with all their senses intact. It's not fair, but how you choose to go about it defines who you are. And let me make this clear: sitting at that chair and replying to this thread is not going to make an iota of a difference with the issue you've chosen to champion.

Work something out by getting down there in the muck, instead of textualising the fuck out of us. Then you can come back and rub our noses in it, and we'll gracefully accept it and be humbled. Spraying paragraphs at us like some cantankerous armchair general with a prose hose who's never seen a war - let alone fight in one - does fucking naught apart from set our teeth on edge, unless you're Ernest fucking Hemingway, and even he went out and did stuff before he wrote about it. That's how you get clout.

So go get it first.



*Though there's no real telling, is there? The Polish ones were probably deadly serious for all we know.