SubJeff on 12/9/2013 at 20:45
It's not going for animation awards dude.
CCCToad on 12/9/2013 at 22:56
Quote Posted by NuEffect
No dude, you don't get how things work. You can't just pick a few examples and go "Explain this then!".
You are quite correct though; FG isn't ALL subtle, and no one said it was. There are very few comedies that are ALL subtle. My point was; where there IS subtlety people like you and dethtoll sometimes miss it and take it on face value. The bull raping Peter for example - on the surface it just looks like "ha ha, he got bummed" but there is a lot of deeper (no pun intended!) meaning to that joke.
I think you're mis-guessing my meaning for asking you to explain how that clip is subtle.
The reason why is that I'm beginning to suspect we have different definitions of "deeper meaning" and "subtle", and I wanted to test that hunch.
faetal on 13/9/2013 at 10:07
Are you trying to refute the claim that 100% of FG is subtle? Because I can save you time by pointing out that no one made that claim.
SubJeff on 13/9/2013 at 10:29
Quote Posted by CCCToad
The reason why is that I'm beginning to suspect we have different definitions of "deeper meaning" and "subtle", and I wanted to test that hunch.
a. BS.
b. Why don't you just ask, like a goddamn normal person?
Vivian on 13/9/2013 at 10:59
This sums up my problem with family guy pretty well, actually
[video=youtube;t4eqsVoIVpE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4eqsVoIVpE[/video]
SubJeff on 13/9/2013 at 11:20
Often true, sometimes not.
faetal on 13/9/2013 at 11:35
There's no sense in this being too polar. The point isn't whether or not FG is perfect, or even consistently amazing. Just whether or not it provides enough laughs in 20 minutes to warrant the time spent. I'd say yes, but I get a more favourable ratio out of American Dad, so have switched. That said, I barely watch either lately. I'm more into my drama serieses.
CCCToad on 13/9/2013 at 16:14
Quote Posted by NuEffect
a. BS.
b. Why don't you just ask, like a goddamn normal person?
Because when dealing with someone as irrationally defensive of his favorite show as you are, the odds of getting an accurate answer by "just asking" are nil. It would also most likely result in you insisting that you are much smarter than everyone who doesn't like Family Guy and that other people just can't get it.
Getting you to give an example would, when dealing with something like this, be the only way to demonstrate the thought processes underlying your conclusion.
So let's see where we're at: I've been able to give several examples of mutli-layered parody (often three or four layers deep as opposed to the max of two layers deep that family guy has), whereas you just keep screaming that family guy actually is very intelligent and sophisticated but are unable to provide any examples of the show actually being that way.
Edit:
Another example, the episode where Meg comes back from jail as a thug. While no doubt you'd defend it as being deep, and complex, and having a deeper meaning I would entirely disagree. The show's message (criticizing the American prison system) is delivered in such a blatantly in your face, preachy manner as to be rendered almost entirely humorless.
What I'm saying is that I think that your definition of "subtle" refers to materials that I regard as insulting to the audience's intelligence with obviously presented, uninsightful messages. We also seem to disagree about what justifies it as commentary. Whereas you seem to think simply having "a message" is good enough, I think the show reminds me of that kid who just started his first semester at a liberal arts school and now feels obligated to preach a moralizing sermon to everyone he meets. I prefer watching material that has not just "a message" but is capable of presenting a unique and insightful take on issues. South park did this in regards to the Iraq war(they attacked the entire debate, not just a single position) , whereas family guy was incapable of doing anything more than repeating left-wing talking points.
I understand that FG does address racial issues, simply presenting a racial joke and then having an underlying message (that the authors think is clever but really has all the subtlety of an air horn in your face) about how racism is bad. However I suggest watching the boondocks for a much more insightful and artful handling of any of these issues. Any episode will do.
Now because I'm actually able to do so, watch this clip of the boondocks and I'll explain what this character is really about:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA_YBJxzMN4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA_YBJxzMN4
Queue on 13/9/2013 at 16:23
Does it matter if the jokes in FG derive from the plot or not, if the point of non sequitur jokes are your shtick? Of course not! That's just the show's formula, that and being an homage to All In The Family and musicals.
If it makes you laugh, great.
... and I have to agree that I like American Dad a whole lot more than FG, and Bob's Burgers is fucking brilliant.
AIG on 13/9/2013 at 18:12
How the hell did this thread derail into fucking Family Guy? And I see it started out so great...
Well, I see it was all this Robertro420's fault. But it should have been locked long ago to protect the reputation of the OP who is very obviously whip-smart and one of the better things that has ever graced this board.
