SubJeff on 13/9/2013 at 19:27

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I think I'm finally starting to understand why dethtoll is so awful to you CCC.

I'll try this one more time.



FG is far from my favourite show.

I'm not defending it's quality. I'm not even saying it's a great show. I like it, and that's totally subjective. It doesn't make me smarter than someone who doesn't like it.

The only thing I'm arguing here is that it is not a sexist, racist or homophobic show and if you can't understand the jokes and therefore take them as sexist, racist or homophobic then yes, I'm smarter than you in that respect.



You and I haven't interacted much, and I haven't found you to have any particular character traits that would lead me to second guess any questions you asked. I'm quite open to just discussing things without playing games.



I must have missed these multi-layered parodies. Please refresh my memory.

I'm not screaming that FG is very intelligent and sophisticated. It isn't. But it also isn't sexist, racist and homophobic.



Don't try to predict what I'd see in that episode.

Also - I haven't seen that episode.



My definition of subtle is that it's not obvious enough for some people, such as you and dethtoll, to see. It's got nothing to do with messages, just to do with what the actual joke is.

Simple test; explain what is funny about the bull raping Peter scene. Explain the joke. If you dare.



I like the Boondocks. Do you want FG to be a carbon copy of it? Is there no space in the animated comedy scene for something less sophisticated?



First off, before I go there, I'm not really interested in this explanation you're so eager to give so don't bother. I would be interested in your explanation of the bull rape scene in FG, or ANY of the scenes you linked to. All of them would be nice.

Secondly, is this going to be a link to a clip of Uncle Ruckus (no relation)?


*copies the link, pastes in another tab*

Jesus Christ. How predictable are you. Lol! That's hilarious.

Also, that compilation missed out the Code Black scene. Fail.

ZylonBane on 13/9/2013 at 22:11

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Preachy and grotesque is sophistication now?

CCCToad on 14/9/2013 at 00:37

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Reading comprehension. Those comments were originally directed at Seth McFarlane. FG's jokes on sensitive topics usually just have a subtext "See how racist(or insert other "ist" here) these Republicans are?! Well aren't they just AWFUL? Let's point at them and laugh!"

Keep in mind there's a big difference between saying a show is racist and not thinking that a show is funny just for portraying all the items on "ist" list.

Back to this about McFarlane's writing taken as a whole, He's fallen a long way from the more interesting season1 and 2 of family guy and...well, Full link provided for your benefit.

(http://hefferbrew.com/2012/07/03/ted-lessons-in-blatant-racism-that-white-people-can-laugh-at/)






What the fuck do you think entitles you go ranting off about how much smarter you are, and how you are able to appreciate things so much better than everyone else here while you simultaneously refuse to provide any elaboration or support for your self-aggrandizing stance? At least when I talk about how other cartoons do it better I take the time to explain my reasoning with specific example. You are incapable of doing so....or perhaps you're just afraid that if you actually put your reasoning out for everyone to see that it won't stand up to scrutiny. Either way your behavior is typical of someone who's insecure in his position.

To put it bluntly: you're arguing like a Tea Party republican does.

From my perspective, I don't find anything about it funny. I didn't crack even a hint of a grin the first time I saw it. While it's entirely possible that there's a movie reference I'm missing (which should probably be expected for Family Guy), I don't think that simply parodying the behavior of rapists is particularly amusing. The show would have to do better than simply pointing fingers at something obviously bad for me to laugh.




Compare the way FG handles stereotypes with the way SP does. Both shows portray obvious parodies of other races, with the underlying message that it's stupid to think of people in those terms. South Park takes it a step further than FG does and shows a few instances throughout the show that have a third point: sometimes stereotypes have truth to them. Also, look back to my link to the Wal-Mart episode.

Another good example is linked below. It's not a particularly subtle moment, but the sentiment expressed here is one that's much deeper and more intelligent than anything I've ever seen from Family Guy:

(http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104225/acceptance-speech)




Yeah...wouldn't call that particular show sophisticated as whole. However the humor is more complex than most other animations on TV at the moment.

Queue on 14/9/2013 at 00:46

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You do realize that's a spoof of a 1978 documentary called, "Scared Straight!":

[video=youtube;gXRIR_Svgq4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRIR_Svgq4[/video]

...which was infinitely more funny.

SubJeff on 14/9/2013 at 10:57

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Nah, he and his show are being clumped together.

You said it yourself:



Makes no difference anyway since the humour in neither is racist, sexist, etc.

It might be heavy handed, it might be simple, it might even be obvious and dumb but it's not racist, sexist, etc.

And the subtext may be about Republican views but seeing as I don't know or care about the details of Republican views in general I don't care.



You're the one who said it was racist bro. See your previous quote.



I've not seen Ted so I can't really comment. Reading that though the first thing I think is "is this article a joke?" because of "his name, it escapes me now but it was along the lines of ping pong ming, some racist crap like that.". Firstly, it's perfectly possible for the name to have been a real name. So I looked the scene up on YouTube. His name is Wan Ming. Is that racist? It's a real name ffs. And the guy being drugged up and saying Death to Ming a la Flash Gordon? Explain how it's racist. Explain. Please.

And this guy saying the name is "along the lines of ping pong ming"? THAT'S racist! lol



I don't think I'm much smarter than "everyone else". But I do recognise that Seth's and FG's jokes, including the jokes at the Oscars, are not racist, sexist or homophobic


AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY


Dance around this all you like. The plain fact is both you and dethtoll have insisted that Seth and FG rely on racist, sexist and homophobic jokes and that is not true.



So the joke isn't for you. So what? Does that make it racist, sexist or homophobic?


So what? Does that make it racist, sexist or homophobic?


You're on a tangent dude. I'm going to finish with a summary and then I'm about done.


My whole argument/discussion itt was to the effect that Seth's Oscar jokes and the jokes in FG are not racist, sexist or homophobic. I like his humour, that's a personal preference. I find the mix of satire and slapstick hilarious. You and dethtoll seem to have got caught up in the "subtle" argument. The only reason that it even came up is because of both of you insisting that the MacFarlane school of humour is based on racist, sexist and homophobic jokes. The reason you think this is because you don't get most of the jokes. Oh, you might see what a racist, sexist or homophobe might find funny in them but you're not getting the underlying joke, hence the subtlety issue.

Cases in point - the Zero Dark Thirty joke and the Denzel/Eddie joke.

That's it.

If you don't like it that's up to you. But don't try tell me that it's racist, sexist or homophobic, because if you think that then yes, you're not intelligent enough to get it.