SubJeff on 15/9/2013 at 19:24
Quote Posted by dethtoll
I've given up because I know when it's fucking pointless, and also because it's fucking exhausting. This argument has dragged on so long because of you. Nobody can agree to disagree, it's always gotta be SUBJEFF IS ALWAYS CORRECT EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG. You're a fucking egomaniac. It's hilarious that you're talking about having the balls to quit because you clearly don't.
At this point I'm like whatever. I don't really care. I'm not quitting because it's just so easy to sit here and type.
I just find it amusing that in this thread, like in the ZuBat thread, you've found it impossible to focus on and discuss the core issue. It's because you don't agree with it and you don't want face the truth.
When I'm wrong I admit it. There is no shame in being wrong and I'm frequently wrong. I was wrong with my rant in the Syria thread and I've said so. I don't think you're capable of admitting you're wrong either at the time or even in the abstract. Everything and everyone owes you something, nothing is your fault. I've tried with you. I even bought you a game on Steam without any prompting because you said you couldn't afford it and I could and I thought it might bring you some happiness. I feel dirty even mentioning it because you'll now be all "Oh, you think I OWE you something?!" and the only reason I do it here is because a. you don't want me to PM you and b. you've already stooped low enough to mention me PMing you. That was especially crap since I PMed you to try and offer an olive branch but your ego got in the way. And no I don't think you owe me anything, at all. I hope you enjoyed the game and gave some of the people around you some respite from your burning rage whilst you played it.
Whatever man. You've got issues and although I'd like to help I've just grown tired of it.
SubJeff on 15/9/2013 at 19:26
Quote Posted by CCCToad
"relies on the existence of" is a pretty meaningless statement. It relies on making jokes about racism and sexism for a majority of it's humor since about season 3, and consequently a majority of it's attempts at humor just come across as self-righteous and preachy.
Yeah, it relies on jokes that are about racism and sexism all the time.
But they are
about racism and sexism. They aren't actually racist or sexist.
Which is my point. Do you even read my replies?
CCCToad on 15/9/2013 at 19:30
Quote Posted by faetal
Having said that Deth, have you been reading Toad's contributions? They're presented like they're fact and he is some kind of professor of cartoon parody or something. Like I said a few metres of page ago, if this whole thread had been given a little more as opinion and a little less as incontrovertible fact, the agree to disagree point would have been struck ages back.
I was under the impression that you all were able to distinguish between fact and opinion without me having to spell it out.
However what is in the area of "fact" is that a large proportion of family guy's jokes attempt to derive humor just from portraying things like racial stereotypes, rape, child molestation, child abuse, etc.
My OPINION is that simply pointing fingers and laughing at those is a form of humor that icans just designed to please the lowest common (left wing) denominator....ie, the kind of people who pat themselves on the back for being wonderful beings just because they hate Republicans
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Do you even read my replies?
Did you even read my original posts? Even if you want to go that way, I've already pointed to previous examples of McFarlane "comedy" where the humor derives entirely from laughing at stereotypical portrayals of people so yes, some of his humor does rely on racism...not to mention all the points where we are expected to find jokes about raping Meg funny. I'm not abused by jokes that involve laughing at child abuse no matter what the sources is (ie, why I hate the South Park episode "butter's very own episode")
edit: Exception made for a lot of Stewie's antics. It's just a pity that....well, from 1996:
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http://romococo.com/litcon/wp-content/uploads/chris-ware-jim_corrigan.jpgfaetal on 15/9/2013 at 19:35
You cherry pick evidence and then sign off with conclusive "See, SEEE!?!!" type comments.
We've disagreed with you several times, so you go and gather more "evidence", which as I mentioned before, is pointless since you can just mine YouTube for anything which you feel confirms your opinions and it still doesn't change mine. You try to elevate your opinion as more than that by building a case, as if I'm going to watch a link you post and go "Oh my god, you're right, I no longer like Family Guy, I will now stick to South Park and whatever you like". You're beating a dead horse using techniques I dismissed pages ago.
SubJeff on 15/9/2013 at 19:47
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Did you even read my original posts? Even if you want to go that way, I've already pointed to previous examples of McFarlane "comedy" where the humor derives entirely from laughing at stereotypical portrayals of people so yes, some of his humor does rely on racism...
I can't be bothered to trawl through it. Remind me again please where this racism is.
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edit: Exception made for a lot of Stewie's antics. It's just a pity that....well, from 1996:
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What has this got to do with anything?
june gloom on 15/9/2013 at 20:08
Quote Posted by NuEffect
At this point I'm like whatever. I don't really care. I'm not quitting because it's just so easy to sit here and type.
I just find it amusing that in this thread, like in the ZuBat thread, you've found it impossible to focus on and discuss the core issue. It's because you don't agree with it and you don't want face the truth.
When I'm wrong I admit it. There is no shame in being wrong and I'm frequently wrong. I was wrong with my rant in the Syria thread and I've said so. I don't think you're capable of admitting you're wrong either at the time or even in the abstract. Everything and everyone owes you something, nothing is your fault. I've tried with you. I even bought you a game on Steam without any prompting because you said you couldn't afford it and I could and I thought it might bring you some happiness. I feel dirty even mentioning it because you'll now be all "Oh, you think I OWE you something?!" and the only reason I do it here is because a. you don't want me to PM you and b. you've already stooped low enough to mention me PMing you. That was especially crap since I PMed you to try and offer an olive branch but your ego got in the way. And no I don't think you owe me anything, at all. I hope you enjoyed the game and gave some of the people around you some respite from your burning rage whilst you played it.
Whatever man. You've got issues and although I'd like to help I've just grown tired of it.
My ego got in the way? My
ego got in the way? Have you completely lost touch with
reality? You were
harassing me when I said I didn't really care to continue the discussion. You
wouldn't stop PMing me even after I asked. And now you're telling me it's my fault? Ohohoho, this is fucking classic. Wow.
And then there's "Everything and everyone owes me something, nothing is my fault?" You've got me all wrong here, big fucking shock. Are you for real? Aside from that not even being true, what's that have to do with any of this? If anything, you're the one who abdicates responsibility. You'll occasionally admit you're wrong, but you're wrong a lot more often than you'll ever admit. And you know what? Let's go back to the Zubatman thing because it's the clearest example: it was a very stupid fucking argument and it was your fault. Why? Because instead of fucking owning up and admitting that you have no cultural osmosis and don't know how to use Google you blamed
me for bruising your ego and posting a video you were too stupid to understand, from watching it, that it was a Batman parody (come on, Zubatman? I know you know English motherfucker are you telling me you're too stupid to grasp the key part of that word? Nevermind the imagery and tone of the video was
obviously evoking Batman and I
know you know what Batman shit looks like) and a Pokemon parody (it says so right on the page.)
This is why I hate you. This is why we're not friends. You are a colossal motherfucking egomaniac who deflects blame by accusing other people of being egomaniacs, and your idea of debate involves
hounding people to death long after they've tried to disengage because you're too narcissistic to accept that maybe people don't want to talk to you. And then you get
mad when they tell you they don't want to argue with you anymore and act like it's some kind of personal failing of
theirs.
I may readily get into big fucking arguments but I know when to disengage, either because I'm outnumbered or because the other person isn't worth arguing with. And I'm capable of agreeing to disagree. You aren't.
LaffyTaffy420 on 15/9/2013 at 20:16
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/TheClevelandShowPromo.pngyour argument is invalid
Quote Posted by dethtoll
My ego got in the way? My
ego got in the way? Have you completely lost touch with
reality? You were
harassing me when I said I didn't really care to continue the discussion. You
wouldn't stop PMing me even after I asked. And now you're telling me it's my fault? Ohohoho, this is fucking classic. Wow.
And then there's "Everything and everyone owes me something, nothing is my fault?" You've got me all wrong here, big fucking shock. Are you for real? Aside from that not even being true, what's that have to do with any of this? If anything, you're the one who abdicates responsibility. You'll occasionally admit you're wrong, but you're wrong a lot more often than you'll ever admit. And you know what? Let's go back to the Zubatman thing because it's the clearest example: it was a very stupid fucking argument and it was your fault. Why? Because instead of fucking owning up and admitting that you have no cultural osmosis and don't know how to use Google you blamed
me for bruising your ego and posting a video you were too stupid to understand, from watching it, that it was a Batman parody (come on, Zubatman? I know you know English motherfucker are you telling me you're too stupid to grasp the key part of that word? Nevermind the imagery and tone of the video was
obviously evoking Batman and I
know you know what Batman shit looks like) and a Pokemon parody (it says so right on the page.)
This is why I hate you. This is why we're not friends. You are a colossal motherfucking egomaniac who deflects blame by accusing other people of being egomaniacs, and your idea of debate involves
hounding people to death long after they've tried to disengage because you're too narcissistic to accept that maybe people don't want to talk to you. And then you get
mad when they tell you they don't want to argue with you anymore and act like it's some kind of personal failing of
theirs.
I may readily get into big fucking arguments but I know when to disengage, either because I'm outnumbered or because the other person isn't worth arguing with. And I'm capable of agreeing to disagree. You aren't.
SubJeff on 15/9/2013 at 20:34
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Let's go back to the Zubatman thing because it's the clearest example: it was a very stupid fucking argument and it was your fault. Why? Because instead of fucking owning up and admitting that you have no cultural osmosis and don't know how to use Google you blamed
me for bruising your ego and posting a video you were too stupid to understand
This is just it man. All I said was I didn't get it and you went off on one.
I'll quote us both.
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Some prior knowledge needed to get this? I didn't get it.
Quote Posted by You
It's a Pokemon parody of the famous opening to Batman: The Animated Series. All you need to know. Nevermind that it actually says Pokemon in the video in like, the first two seconds.
Some people...Emphasis mine.
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I've never seen either.
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So cultural osmosis doesn't exist?
Come on, it says "(Zu)Batman" in the TITLE and says Pokemon 2 seconds into the video. Put two and two together, man.
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Yeah, I know what Batman is. I don't know what the significance of Zu is, and as for Pokemon...
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Oh for heaven's sake. I don't know the first thing about Pokemon but I pretty much knew right away that the whole thing was a Pokemon joke. Why? Because I'm not thick, I absorb knowledge about the world around me, and I can put two and two together.
Batman + Pokemon. How hard can this be?!
I know very, very little about Pokemon. I've never watched a cartoon, never played a game, nothing. I had no idea that there was Pokemon called ZuBat so I didn't get the significance of the "Zu". It's obvious now but a. I shouldn't
have to Google something when I could just ask - any reasonable person would have said "There is a Pokemon called ZuBat" and that would have been it. b. cultural osmosis? Come on. I'm not into the thing, I don't come across it, it's not a part of the culture I absorb. This is just like 420 thing; you think that everyone should know wtf you're talking about all the time even if they live in a country where such things aren't common knowledge, even if they just don't come in contact with certain shows or games or whatever you're into.
And you somehow can't accept that and, as you can see, were thoroughly unpleasant throughout the whole thing when "There is a Pokemon called ZuBat" would have sorted it all out. One might even say you got really angry over just about sod all.
You're an idiot.
Secretly, you know it.
faetal on 15/9/2013 at 20:38
Come on guys. Taking turns to get the last word in is the single worst part of internet arguments.
TEEFtheDERPproject on 15/9/2013 at 20:43
Oh my goodness gracious, I came to this forum hoping to find like-minded individuals who shared my love for the glories of the Looking Glass, and what do I find? A bunch of sheeple talking about Family Guy!
I'm very disappointed. Haven't you peasants realized that television has not been the same since the untimely cancellation of Clarissa Explains It All? That programme, my good sirs, is the very definition of the last gasp of good television. Everything since has been created specifically to appeal to the unwashed masses, the lowest common denominator. Dear sirs, it is all about money, and you have been suckered into it!
"Television is the opiate of the masses." ~ Karl Marx
I am upset. I truly believed this forum to be the last bastion of good taste. But here, like everywhere else, I find only the mentally small, amusing themselves with the mass-produced entertainment of the day, rather than savoring the great works of minds long gone!
It seems to me that lately the internet has become a very unwelcoming place for people like me -- the true genisues and individuals who have gained an understanding of the way reality works. Did you know that mocking people with Asperger's is not considered hateful? I've made many an attempt to report the hate site Encyclopedia Dramatica to the Southern Poverty Law Center and they just ignore me! Oh, the shameful irony. But I suppose what goes around comes around. Hate begets hate, don't you know! :ebil:
Nevertheless, I believe I shall stay here. Perhaps I can undo the damage. Perhaps, with hope and perhaps a little bit of ironic prayer (ironic, dear chaps, for I believe in no God, no puffed-up man in the sky!) I can right a great many wrongs, and make this forum a great place like I'm sure it must have been once.
