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Originally posted by twisty:<br />
I really like the implementation of sniper style in Deus Ex. However, I would like to see the zoom become more like how they did it in NOLF, with the middle mouse button used to roll to different zoom levels. <hr></blockquote>
That's true, but not everyone has a mouse wheel, and that has to be considered. On another note, the sniper rifle definitely needs to be weakened. Maybe with scarcity of ammo, or only 1 bullet able to be loaded at a time. I love my sniper rifle as much as the next guy, but it unbalances the game, a lot.
[ January 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shadowhawk ]</p>
BlackCapedManX on 22/1/2002 at 08:14
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Originally posted by Shadowhawk:<br /><strong>On another note, the sniper rifle definitely needs to be weakened. Maybe with scarcity of ammo, or only 1 bullet able to be loaded at a time. I love my sniper rifle as much as the next guy, but it unbalances the game, a lot.<br /></strong><hr></blockquote>
I must ultimately disagree... I personally would think it should be more powerful (30.06 able to peirce up to level four bullet-proof vests, read: will go through metal plates) I was rather disheartened when it took two head-shots to take out Simmons with Master on rifles and the Targeting aug maxed while using a sniper rifle. Besides, you can always stick a scope on a plasma rifle and spread some mass havoc. That and there are .50 cal rifles semi-auto that can stop tanks.... Altenatively, i think point blank with the sawed-off should take down just about anything... which it doesnt... Oh and M-wheel zoom change is a good idea but you could always asign +zoom and -zoom to keyboard buttons like in DFLW.
NoFace on 23/1/2002 at 15:46
I think that the sniper rifle should be kept at the power level it is at... come on if you are hit in the chest with a sniper rifle bullet youre gonna die... i do agree that it should be come a "snipe only" weapon, and the way to do that is with single shot rounds. but the scope needs upgrades badly, while i was playing the game i found it annoying that it took so long to get it out of scope mode and that it would take it out of scope mode whenever you reload, i think that if im trying to keep my sights on persons forehead then i would learn how to reload my weapon without having to take my eyes off the target. another major concern of mine was that you could not upgrade the sight once you had it in place, i think it would be great to have sight upgrades where you can make it infared (that you could turn on and off while still in sight mode, depending on day or night) or make it a wideview electronic sight that would take up half the screen instead of just a little circle with crosshairs.
Phydeaux on 27/1/2002 at 01:56
Change the sniper rifle to bolt action instead of semi-auto? I thought Deus Ex was supposed to be in the future.
I don't think it's unbalanced. It requires at the very least "Trained" with a few accuracy (and recoil) mods to be even remotely effective. At "Advanced" it's extemely powerful, and it should be. You can destroy doors at up to 50% strength and destroy turrets and other things. But that requires an extreme investment in skill points.
ACT SMILEY on 27/1/2002 at 14:42
Bolt action rifles are used because they are more accurate than semi automatics. I think that for snipers a good weapon lineup would be
.338 bolt-action - most accurate, damaging, and to an unprotected target a one shot kill. Not too fast firing though.<br />.50 bolt-action - A bit less accurate but stronger.<br />7.62mm semi-automatic. least powerful, least accurate, fastest firing<br />.50 semi-auto - trades a bit of accuracy for better rate of fire than the .50 bolt action. If necessary for balance it could have the same accuracy as the .50 bolt action.
(edit) in addition to speed, the benefit of semi-auto is that you'd stay zoomed in except for when reloading clips. With a bolt action it'd leave the zoom when loading the next round up and then return, missing a moment.
Whoever decided to make it 30.06 was a fool - thats about 1.50 instead of .50 and bigger isn't always better. 30mm is more a size for light cannons.
[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: ACT SMILEY ]</p>
BlackCapedManX on 29/1/2002 at 22:10
Argggg..... The compleate lack of knowledge about guns is making me convulse visibly.... First and formost... 30.06 is not 30mm, it is 30.06 calibre, and if compared by terms to say the .50 it should actually be .3006... but when using more than I think three figures they are shown in terms of calibre, instead of how much of an inch the diameter is.
Crash course in calibres (or calibers for you americanized type folks... I may live in america but i will not be corrupted by it!)
1 caliber = 1/100 of an inch, or the diamter at the base of the bullet (important note, this is the bullet itself, not the casing)
Thus 30.06 caliber is equal to 30.06/100 of an inch... and .50 is equal to one half of an inch. where as 30mm is equal to something like 1.2 inches (yes the size of a small cannon... and i think the miniguns on F-16s, though I know little about aircraft)
Now... the caliber of the bullet itself has little to do with how, accurate, powerful, fast firing, and so forth it is. These are based on the propelent used in the bullet, the type of bullet itself (saboted, tungsten, incindiary, jacketed hollow point, full metal jacket, ect), and the gun it is fired from. For example the PSG-1 fires 7.62 rounds (those are 7.62mm btw) with incredible accuracy, power, and a fairly high rate of fire (making it a favorite amoung many military snipers.) The 30.06 origanally was used by american snipers using the Springfeild sniper rifle in WWII. It was incredibly accurate and very powerful, though not as common now, it is used in some very high powered rifles as an armour penetrating round, also used in long range hunting rifles.
IMO a fairly good chart for calibres would be as follows:
7.62mm: Just like the PSG, but in the future and prolly more accurate with a higher rate of fire.
7.92mm: The Germans used it in the Mauser, the Mauser kick ass (my uncle owns one....) why not use it?
5.56mm: For a very, very fast firing sniper rifle, poorer accuracy no doubt, not as powerful, shorter range.
30.06 calibre: I ranted enough above to 'splain this one
50 calibre: for a big ass gun... takes out tanks... people dont stand a chance, mechs should go down quick... the rifleman subsititute to the GEP gun. Good modern examples are the M82-A1 and the Knight Stoner SR-50 (personally, my favorite gun.) Both are !extremely! accurate and deadly.
Any assorted number of not commonly heard of hunting rifle calibres: There are a lot of them and altogether no too much variance and few to none better choices than the above.
Eh... just my gun rant for the day
Phydeaux on 31/1/2002 at 20:46
*sigh*
I am not an expert on weapons. I probably know more then most, but that doesn't mean much (and most of what I do know is with modern hand guns, and that's limited). I do know this though;
It's not a 30.06 round. It's a .30-06 round. It's a .30 calibre, not a 30.06 calibre. I'll be goddamned if anyone can manufacture bullets/shells/casings with tolerances of a ten-thousandth of an inch. Not to mention a barrel that can hold such a tolerance with the wear and tear fireing a single bullet does.
The .30-06 is also known as the M1906, developed by Remmington (or maybe Winchester, mixed sources) in
1906 for use with Springfield '03 rifle (Private Jackson's sniper rifle in Saving Private Ryan).
If said outloud, the round is a "Thirty ought six", "ought " being the slang at the time when saying the year (your grandfather might say "Back on ought-eight I lost my finger in a farm accident").
The gun in an F-16 (and F-18, F-14, F-4, F-15, and many others) is an M61A1 6 barrel 20mm gatling cannon. Not really a mini-gun. An example of a "mini-gun" is the 3 barrel 30mm gun mounted on the nose of an AH-64 Apache.
Personally, I don't understand the choice of 7.62 NATO rounds for the Assault Rifle in Deus Ex, as the weapon seems to be used for close courters wetwork. A 9mm NATO or .40S&W in a sub-machinegun package seems more appropriate. Interestingly though, it does resemble the (
http://hkpro.com/oicw.htm) OICW being developed for US and other NATO military.
7.92mm Mauser rounds wouldn't make sense because they're not in any standard use. The Germans who originally used this round are all NATO and thus use standard NATO rounds (5.56mm, 9x19mm, 7.62mm).
