jtr7 on 17/3/2009 at 21:17
Yeah. The memory limitations, and time spent cutting larger missions into two, and redesigning things were a drag.
Are...are you intoxicated?:sly:
Meisterdieb on 17/3/2009 at 21:26
I was going to generally address the forum here, but I might as well simply ask jtr7 as he is the Lord of the (Thief) files. ;)
In the in-game resources, we only hear of "the Baron" in conversations.
But do we ever see a "the Baron" in a written form? (We obviously don't get a mentioning of the Baron's name in dialogue)
In the conversations it is always clear from context that they are talking about their Baron, the one and only. So there isn't any need to say out his name. It's the way people normally talk about the higher-ups; you'd say "Dangit, the boss is making me stay stay late" or "Look at the crappy legislation the mayor passed this time". In a conversation the context would be immediatly clear, and even if not one could just ask for clarification.
But if you write something down, and even more so if you use a quote out of context, you would add the name to it. Ideally, you would add as much information as to make it clear to anyone uninvolved who is saying what
Quote Posted by ManicMan
though even in medieval times, Citys didn't really war with each other like that... (well.. they did a bit but i said 'Like that')
Yes, they did. Just have a look at what is today Italy during the renaissance. There were dozens of city-states who were more or less constantly at each other throats. But don't forget that what we understand as "war" today wasn't the same as what constituted a "war" back then.
Some wars were just one battle, others were over before any battle happened. And even such things as the 30-year-war didn't mean that everyone was in constant battle for 30 years (it just meant that during this period you had many, many battles that are -today- grouped together).
jtr7 on 17/3/2009 at 21:44
Nice! That's more like it!:)
Yeah, there's the one note I excerpted from Wieldstrom in TDS:
Quote:
MUSmedallion: "Curator Milton
I was very impressed with some of your new exhibits, in particular, the Cyclopean Magistrate Statue in Tesero Hall. How large! How solemn and impressive! Hanging the Coethe Medallion around its neck was a brilliant touch.
One cannot but help to think of the Baron himself. The medallion has found, at last, a suitable spot in which to flaunt its rare beauty. Bravo to you for displaying something so inestimable in such a daring manner. However did the Museum function before you arrived?
Fond Regards,
Lord Gervasius"
And this UNUSED letter from
Lord Bafford's Manor:
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M2TAX: "Lord Bafford,
I write to you to remind you of your duties to your Baron and your city. Surely you do not expect that the payment you sent on the first of the month are the entirety of your taxgelt - or do you think the Baron is unaware of your gambling houses? Let me remind you of the example made of Lord Brynveran, and assure you that the penalties for concealment of income are as harsh today as they were in Brynveran's time. The main difference, of course, is that today, the inspectors receive a bounty and are even more enthusiastic in their duties.
The Baron waits for the remainder of your taxgelt. I advise that you not leave him waiting too long.
Julian Friehalt
Commissioner of Taxes"
This one from
The Haunted Cathedral (fifty years prior):
Quote:
M7KEY: "Constable Tule is a degenerate. Every time we have a blackout, I have to go haul his ass out of the pub to get him to unlock the maintainance cell for the Market Street power grid. If he wasn't
the Baron's nephew they would have fired him months ago."
This one from
Framed:
Quote:
M04B12: "Journal Entry 2234
It's getting harder to protect my garden from harm. So many plants die. No matter how hard I try to protect them, they still fall victim to the elements. No matter what anyone tells me, I will not uproot them or cut them down.
I don't know what we are doing here anymore. Half the people I give orders to are people I arrested before. Hopefully the war will be over soon and
the Baron will return. I don't think I can take much more of Truart's 'New Age', as Hagen so often puts it."
And this one from
Casing the Joint and
Masks:
Quote:
M12B03 & the unused copy M13B03: "My Sweet Lorna,
I have the best news! I told you everything would work out. I've discovered that Lord Holanthrus, advisor to
the Baron, has need of a new Librarian. While he is not as wealthy a man as Gervaisius, he is older and more learned. He collects not for fashion but for taste. His library is selective, but is said to be one of the best in the City.
Let us be away a fortnight hence. I will speak of this to Lord Gervaisius. He is a reasonable man and will give me my leave. Ashton is a capable librarian and will make a suitable replacement for me, which will appease Gervaisius. Ashton will be happy with the promotion and that will have to be his consolation when he finds out he is losing you. I will be the luckiest man alive for I will be starting a new life in a new place with the one I love.
--Your Giles"
Gervaisius's museum guestbook quote, and the loading quote are the ONLY instances of the word "Baron" to appear in TDS. Bresling is the ONLY name ever given to one, and it's up front before infiltrating Rutherford Castle. Two other instances of those letters as part of a bigger word are "Baronet Mowbray" in the Inn's guest registry and the idle mutter, "...thinks she's the Baroness, I wager..." (coincidentally, also regarding a person in Rutherford Castle).
These texture names have the word "Baron" in them. Is it the actual name of the material represented, or does this hint that the devs had
their Baron in mind for these? I'm curious 'cause these pop up in searches:
MAN128BaronsGcloth_D.dds
MAN128BaronsGcloth_N.DDS
MAN512BaronsBcloth_D.dds
MAN512BaronsBtile_D.DDS
MANBaronsclothC_D.dds
More fanon would be the Baroness is named "Felicia," after the unused gossip about the Baron's interest in her, but that's making stuff up.
Gambit on 18/3/2009 at 03:28
Well, the katana and the wakizashi were important to samurai culture. Only samurais could be armed with swords so these weapons were a representation of their class.
A katana might be kept for noble enemies but during it´s making it would be tested on a pile of criminal dead bodies. The more bodies it would cut, the better.
The samurai would never leave his wakizashi, neveeer. And he would sleep with one under his pillow.
Hmm, first-person ninja in feudal Japan sneaking through sleeping samurais with weapons under their pillow... That would be a cool Thief adaptation.
jtr7 on 18/3/2009 at 03:54
Although another thread discusses this, the Hammers are based mainly on the Knights Templar.
ManicMan on 18/3/2009 at 08:44
Quote Posted by Meisterdieb
Yes, they did. Just have a look at what is today Italy during the renaissance. There were dozens of city-states who were more or less constantly at each other throats. But don't forget that what we understand as "war" today wasn't the same as what constituted a "war" back then.
really, the Medieval era ended with the rise of the Renaissance era but even historyions debate things like that so, i should have used the term 'Dark age' instead, which is more universionally accepted as ending before the renaissance.
In feudal Japan, it was far from the case of only samurai's could be armed with swords.. Bounty Hunters, Ninja, Lords, guards, some merchants etc all had swords. While a Samurai wasn't happy with a non-body having a Samurai sword (different from a normal daisho set of swords), there were times it was allowed.. Samurai swords weren't the only type around. No offense but, are you a reader and believing in the evil pages? (Wikipedia to the average guy) i could think of some good refence books for you to track down and read but i can't remember there names right now and i can't remember where i put them...
Oh and the Hammers are probebly based on the Knights Templar.... apart from the raping, and lack of fighting members (while the order did a lot of fighting, most in the order were not on the fighting side, alot where acting farmers etc... this is kinda true for the hammers but not seen that much at all)
Beleg Cúthalion on 18/3/2009 at 09:03
The order had craftsmen (among the sergeant brothers) but I'm not sure about farmers. This would rather be something for the menial stuff I believe. Still, the European facilities were used for economy most of all, that's right. But who raped someone? Hammerites or Templars?
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These texture names have the word "Baron" in them. Is it the actual name of the material represented, or does this hint that the devs had their Baron in mind for these? I'm curious 'cause these pop up in searches:
MAN128BaronsGcloth_D.dds
MAN128BaronsGcloth_N.DDS
MAN512BaronsBcloth_D.dds
MAN512BaronsBtile_D.DDS
MANBaronsclothC_D.dds
These are all carpet or tapestry textures as far as I can see. I guess these are rather names like "royal blue". Of course it might be that red with golden flowers were meant to the the Baron's colours.
ManicMan on 18/3/2009 at 10:37
Templars.. it's a bit of an ify subject but the rules of honur and stuff where basicly, if a girl was on her own, you are nice, ofter to lead her home etc. IF she was with another guy or knight, you are able to challange them to a fight, if you win, you get to do whatever you like with the girl... which often was sexual relations even if the girl didn't want to... which is basicly rape in my mind. But in them days, for knights it was perfectly fine...
well, that's the intresting dark side of history over with..
I don't know of any colours like Royal Blue with a Baron name myself.. could be intresting... I wonder, there are alot of picture all over the place in thief, someone would have a picture of the current ruler.. any of them look like it might be a baron?
jtr7 on 18/3/2009 at 11:10
If the Cyclopean Magistrate statue with the Coethe Medallion resembles the Baron to Gervaisius on some level, then that's all we have to work with.
Gambit on 18/3/2009 at 12:09
Just wanted to point the most common difference between a samurai and the peasants. Sure, outlaws and people with more resources and power could afford a weapon.
But, jtr7 is right, they're more like templar knights, with a bit of Torquemada's inquisitors.
