ClashWho on 24/3/2014 at 15:16
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I'd like to see the Precursors make a return in some way. Kind of like the Protheans for Mass Effect, but make them the bad guys.
That's a cool idea.
Platinumoxicity on 24/3/2014 at 19:17
Quote Posted by ClashWho
This is actually why I wasn't too bothered by NuThief apparently being set many years after the original trilogy. The original trilogy really feels like a complete story, especially the way Garrett's arc seems to come full circle at the very end. It would have been kind of disappointing to see Garrett just running around thieving after becoming the One True Keeper.
The funny thing is that the time Garrett actually was the true keeper, that's when he was running around being a thief. He didn't know what he was. Gamall had stolen all the information that would have revealed Garrett's true purpose. Garrett became the true keeper in the beginning of TDP, and stopped being that when he activated the Eye in the end of TDS. So I'll turn what you said there around and say that it would be funny to see Garrett trying to do keeper stuff after finally becoming a thief.
And just because you have a key-shaped burn on the back of your left hand doesn't mean that your enemies disappear and turn into a steady stream of food in your kitchen and rent money in the hand of your landlord. I can't understand how so many people could so easily miss that. Did his realization of his past purpose turn him into James Bond, who subsists solely on martinis and never goes to the bathroom for no explanation?
Jah on 24/3/2014 at 19:40
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And just because you have a key-shaped burn on the back of your left hand doesn't mean that your enemies disappear and turn into a steady stream of food in your kitchen and rent money in the hand of your landlord. I can't understand how so many people could so easily miss that.
So why does Garrett suddenly have a key-shaped burn on the back of his hand if not to acknowledge his status as a Keeper? Because he thinks it looks cool and will impress the ladies?
Platinumoxicity on 24/3/2014 at 21:08
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So why does Garrett suddenly have a key-shaped burn on the back of his hand if not to acknowledge his status as a Keeper? Because he thinks it looks cool and will impress the ladies?
Because... he used that hand to unlock the most powerful glyph ever made? I'm sure you didn't miss that part.
Jah on 24/3/2014 at 21:27
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Because... he used that hand to unlock the most powerful glyph ever made? I'm sure you didn't miss that part.
So he decided to get a commemorative tattoo to remind him of that event? I see.
Did it ever occur to you that you might be trying to explain away plot events just because they don't fit
your idea of what Garrett's story
should have been like?
Platinumoxicity on 25/3/2014 at 15:00
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So he decided to get a commemorative tattoo to remind him of that event? I see.
Did it ever occur to you that you might be trying to explain away plot events just because they don't fit
your idea of what Garrett's story
should have been like?
Wait, do you actually think that Garrett got the scar on purpose, to signify him accepting what he had always been, and the only alternative to that must be that he got it on purpose just because it's cool? There's no way it was caused by the glyph and it wasn't Garrett's decision? Why am I the only one thinking that this position is stupid?
I keep smelling massive amounts of projection here. A lot of people seem to be proposing a position that requires a huge amount of picking and choosing, and basically ignoring everything between the very beginning of the first game and the very end of the last one. And I'm actually trying to support the alternative that fits both the beginning and the end, as well as the 99% in between. And
I'm the one who's trying to explain away things to make things fit? :rolleyes: Yeah, sure.
Let's see. What else could be conjure up if we ignore things between the beginning and the end... Oh, I know. How about Garrett getting together with Viktoria? They have no reason to hate one another, Viktoria is obviously not dead, and we all know how easy it was to just decide that Garrett likes people now and no longer wants to be alone. There. Nothing contradicts that, assuming you don't factor in anything in the story.
ClashWho on 25/3/2014 at 15:26
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Garrett became the true keeper in the beginning of TDP, and stopped being that when he activated the Eye in the end of TDS.
No, he does not
stop being a Keeper in the end of TDS. He says at the very end that he
is a Keeper. That's what he says in the end in the game. That's as unambiguous as it gets. So which of the two of us is seeing something that isn't there?
Starker on 25/3/2014 at 15:35
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I keep smelling massive amounts of projection here.
Uh-uh. You're the one who's attributing motives to other people. Who's (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) projecting here again?
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A lot of people seem to be proposing a position that requires a huge amount of picking and choosing, and basically ignoring everything between the very beginning of the first game and the very end of the last one.
Entertaining a possibility that the game itself suggests vs declaring it completely impossible... which one of these requires more picking and choosing?
Jah on 25/3/2014 at 17:40
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Wait, do you actually think that Garrett got the scar on purpose, to signify him accepting what he had always been, and the only alternative to that must be that he got it on purpose just because it's cool? There's no way it was caused by the glyph and it wasn't Garrett's decision? Why am I the only one thinking that this position is stupid?
Probably because it's not a stupid position. Unless you can show me a cutscene where the final glyph burns a scar in Garrett's hand, the only thing that supports
your theory is your imagination, yet somehow we're supposed to accept that as fact just because Father Plat says so.
Quote Posted by Platinumoxicity
I keep smelling massive amounts of projection here. A lot of people seem to be proposing a position that requires a huge amount of picking and choosing, and basically ignoring everything between the very beginning of the first game and the very end of the last one. And I'm actually trying to support the alternative that fits both the beginning and the end, as well as the 99% in between. And
I'm the one who's trying to explain away things to make things fit? :rolleyes: Yeah, sure.
Have you actually read your own posts? Yes, you
are the one who's picking and choosing to make things fit. As ClashWho just pointed out, at the end of TDS
Garrett explicitly refers to himself as a Keeper, yet you're desperately trying to "prove" that the idea is somehow implausible or unlikely.
And I have no idea what you're on about with "ignoring everything between the very beginning of the first game and the very end of the last one". The only way that makes any amount of sense in this context is if you assume that Garrett is a static character incapable of change or development - that despite having had his eye ripped out, having saved the world several times, having been hunted down by religious fanatics as well as his old brethren the Keepers and having discovered his role in ancient prophecies, he is precisely the same guy at the end of TDS as he was at the beginning of TDP. If you really think that, I can only say that some of the subtleties in the games' narration have clearly been lost on you.
onetruekeeper on 26/3/2014 at 02:37
Garrett manages to find some of the Keepers that escaped from the Hag and entrusted that little girl to their care for training to become a Keeper. Perhaps later in the game he would train the girl himself in the art of thievery if the girl showed inclinations to follow in the same profession as himself. :cheeky:
