If Thief IV had to be in the future, could a 1930s-like setting work ? - by Petike the Taffer
jtr7 on 22/12/2008 at 23:32
Outside of Hammerites and Mechanists, the only names even close might be the Shemenov family, who make blades and maybe halberds, or perhaps Venik Kilgor, who specializes in hammers, but makes some projectiles, too.
Then there's Tol Camrick & Sons, who built the "indestructible" armory door for Castle Carlysle, and the door for Ramirez's basement counting room. Lionel Karthman's crew built much of Constantine's place.
Petike the Taffer on 22/12/2008 at 23:44
Quote Posted by jtr7
Outside of Hammerites and Mechanists, the only names even close might be the
Shemenov family, who make blades and maybe halberds, or perhaps
Venik Kilgor, who specializes in hammers, but makes some projectiles, too. Then there's Tol Camrick & Sons, who built the "indestructible" armory door for Castle Carlysle, and the door for Ramirez's basement counting room. Lionel Karthman's crew built much of Constantine's place.
Thanks a lot. I'll think it over and see what would suit it best... :cool:
Gambit on 27/12/2008 at 20:10
I think Frank Miller´s "The Spirit" could be a nice reference to what a 30´s Thief could be like.
Of course his Spirit will probably be a lot more "break the main door and start punching bad guys on the face" instead of a detective/spy hiding in the shadows but I´m interested to see the photography and design choices.
Inline Image:
http://blog.muchmusic.com/archives/frank%20miller%20the%20spirit%20blog%20edit.jpgPetike the Taffer on 28/12/2008 at 00:26
Quote Posted by Gambit
I think Frank Miller´s "The Spirit" could be a nice reference to what a 30´s Thief could be like.
Of course his Spirit will probably be a lot more "break the main door and start punching bad guys on the face" instead of a detective/spy hiding in the shadows but I´m interested to see the photography and design choices.]
Um, yes, pure noir style... But don't forget other similiar comic book fellows - like, for instance, (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_(comics)) The Question... Or even his AH version, (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(comics)) Rorschach, created by Alan Moore... The problem is, that they don't entirely fit the trenchcoated Garrett, IMHO. You understand... All of them are more or less hard-boiled crimefighters - Garrett is not.
On the other hand, how about other good examples of fictional detectives/spies/thieves outside the comic book tradition :
This British guy ?
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Templar)
Another fictious master thief of the modern era. ;)
Or these two American detectives from California ?
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Marlowe)
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Archer)
That's the way I imagine Garrett in civilian/detective disguise. ;)
P.S. Well, I heard, that the critics panned the film adaptation of The Spirit. The consensus was, that the visual style was great, but Miller totally butchered the storytelling. No surprise. The guy has been going downhill ever since his first two Batman graphic novels - IMHO, he lost his talent a long time ago...
MrMunkeepants on 28/12/2008 at 06:11
Quote Posted by Petike the Taffer
P.S. Well, I heard, that the critics panned the film adaptation of The Spirit. The consensus was, that the visual style was great, but Miller totally butchered the storytelling. No surprise. The guy has been going downhill ever since his first two Batman graphic novels - IMHO, he lost his talent a long time ago...
yeah, everything I've heard is that he turned a fun, Dick Tracy-style detective story into another Sin City movie. Miller has turned into a bad parody of his own work, from back when it was at least good.
for people who don't know who he is, look here: (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FrankMiller)
Petike the Taffer on 28/12/2008 at 19:05
Quote Posted by MrMunkeepants
Miller has turned into a bad parody of his own work, from back when it was at least good.
Inline Image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/GoddamnBatman.jpgThis speaks for everything... :cheeky: Batman using swear words and acting like a total moron - oh, how original ! :rolleyes: :tsktsk: I heard the last phrase has become something of an internet meme, heh...
LOL, could you imagine Garrett saying : "What are you, f***** up, are you dense ?! I'm the god**mn master thief !" :laff: :laff: :p
All right, back to the main topic of the thread. ;)
Snakebite on 30/12/2008 at 18:04
I just remembered a game I played on a friends computer. It involved stealth, hidding, avoiding, guards, scouting, finding items, just as a thief. The action takes places in World War II (quite close to 1930's). The game is called POW (Prisoner of War). Obviously you must escape several german POW camps or prison. It has a lot in common with Thief. I'm not sure but I think there is an expansion for it. Feel free to try a demo. The game is terrible hard after the 2nd escape, but there are only 5 or 6 prisons. For some of us it might worth a look.
Petike the Taffer on 30/12/2008 at 18:50
Quote Posted by Snakebite
I just remembered a game I played on a friends computer. It involved stealth, hidding, avoiding, guards, scouting, finding items, just as a thief. The action takes places in World War II (quite close to 1930's). The game is called POW (Prisoner of War). Obviously you must escape several german POW camps or prison. It has a lot in common with Thief. I'm not sure but I think there is an expansion for it. Feel free to try a demo. The game is terrible hard after the 2nd escape, but there are only 5 or 6 prisons. For some of us it might worth a look.
Another very good WWII stealth game, that came out in the recent months, is (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_spies)
Death to Spies. I was impressed. A very professionaly made work of some Russian devs. I can only describe it as a good blend of Hitman and Thief (maybe partly Splinter Cell as well). Fun game and one good example on how to create a WWII game, that is neither FPS or RTS. ;)
