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june gloom on 1/7/2012 at 06:10

i thought single payer was diablo 3? :confused:

Nicker on 1/7/2012 at 08:56

Quote Posted by dethtoll

i thought single payer was diablo 3? :confused:

Muahahahaha..!

Wait. Did I think that or actually say it?

henke on 1/7/2012 at 19:20

Can't wait for this debate to swing back into action again when the DNS server comes back up. Looks like the "Obamacare is a bad thing" side is winning right now honestly, which is a bit disheartening since I kinda like Obama. The whole socialist healthcare thing is working out pretty good for us here in Finland, but maybe it's not the right thing for America? I don't know! Eagerly awainting people who actually know what's what or at least have lots of opinions about this stuff to get back on here and start shouting at each other again.

CCCToad on 2/7/2012 at 04:56

So how did you feel about Dubya and why?

henke on 2/7/2012 at 05:37

boo! hiss!

Oh I didn't like that guy at all. Not just because he came off as a bumbling idiot who only was where he was because of money and daddy's friends and because he knew how to fill people's heads with religious mumbojumbo. He also started that war for oil. And didn't sign the Kyoto protocol. And kept gay folks from getting married and threw weed-smokers in jail. Seemed like every other week back then you'd hear about some nefarious scheme him and his lair of evildoers had cooked up. Obama on the other hand... well I have no idea what he's been up to since he entered office. And when it comes to US presidents, no news is good news! At least he's not fucking anything up horribly, until now perhaps. Yakoob's accounts of things up there paints a rather depressing picture of things only getting worse for those who already have it bad. :erg:

CCCToad on 2/7/2012 at 07:00

I'd suggest studying up a bit then. All of the things Obama's done better are heavily overshadowed by his atrocious civil rights record. His administration has surpassed even Bush's by making the claims that they are allowed to infinitely detain, perform a warantless search on, and even kill anyone (US citizens included) as long as the determination is made on the basis of secret evidence in secret hearings that you are suspected of being a "terrorist".

Fafhrd on 2/7/2012 at 08:11

Quote Posted by Yakoob

Muzman , he whole point is, there is NO BASE GOVERNMENT COVER. It's just taking the shitty and unaffordable plans, and FORCING you to pick one.

For 100/month I can have the pleasure of STILL PAYING initial $6000 out of pocket before insurance kicks in, and measly rudimentary 2-3 doctor visits at a 50% copay. For 130/month, I have the pleasure of using the Government-provided Health Savings Account, which still makes me pay initial $6000 of all my medical expenses, AND 100% of the doctor visit fees. It's actually a WORSE DEAL than the already shitty alternative.

Dude, you live in California. (http://finder.healthcare.gov/ihi/get_quotes?age=2&audience=hthy&child_0_dob_day=&child_0_dob_month=&child_0_dob_year=&child_0_gender=&child_0_tobacco_user=false&child_1_dob_day=&child_1_dob_month=&child_1_dob_year=&child_1_gender=&child_1_tobacco_user=false&child_2_dob_day=&child_2_dob_month=&child_2_dob_year=&child_2_gender=&child_2_tobacco_user=false&child_3_dob_day=&child_3_dob_month=&child_3_dob_year=&child_3_gender=&child_3_tobacco_user=false&child_4_dob_day=&child_4_dob_month=&child_4_dob_year=&child_4_gender=&child_4_tobacco_user=false&effective_day=01&effective_month=8&effective_year=2012&is_census_page=true&no_afford=y&nojs=n&primary_dob_day=01&primary_dob_month=01&primary_dob_year=1985&primary_gender=M&primary_tobacco_user=false&situation=need&sliders=false&spouse_dob_day=&spouse_dob_month=&spouse_dob_year=&spouse_gender=&spouse_tobacco_user=false&state=CA&utf8=%E2%9C%93&x=78&y=16&zip=91324) You've got more options than you realize for health plans. (I guessed on your age and ZIP code). And most preventive care has no charge (per section 2713 of the ACA).

Hell, for 196/mo you can get a Kaiser plan that's not a million miles away from the one I had through work when I was in California, with office visits and urgent care at $40 a visit before the deductible. Shop around more.

Vivian on 2/7/2012 at 08:15

Reading all of this shit I am extremely fucking glad I am not an american. Dude I work with was telling me he got a $1000 bill for going to the ER and waiting four hours before having someone google porcupine zoonoses (turns out there are no diseases you can get from getting porcupine blood on your face, long story). Sounds like some of this bill thing is a good idea (like not letting companies drop people for arbitrary reasons, and attempting to reduce the whole profiteering side of it), but it also sounds like it doesn't stop you guys having a ridiculous healthcare system. If I break my wrist, either here or in the UK, I go to the ER and get it looked at, get an appointment, and get it set. Bang. All paid in full already as part of my taxes (the german system is a little different in that the health companies are a kind of NGO, but functionally there is little to tell the two apart). No fucking around arguing bills, talking to my insurance company, trying to squeeze it down as much as poss, arguing whether it was work related or not, etc etc. Just me with my broken bones sorted out. Doesn't that sound at least a little appealing?

CCCToad on 2/7/2012 at 13:05

Quote Posted by Vivian

Sounds like an interesting story though, now I'm curious.

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Doesn't that sound at least a little appealing?

It definitely does. I'm curious how it would work, but my experience with our existing government-run healthcare system (DOD hospitals) suggests that it wouldn't be anywhere near as easy in this country. And that was with a government agency that is usually far more helpful than the civilian side is.

faetal on 2/7/2012 at 13:22

I too am glad I was not born in the US. I am continually amazed by some of what I hear from the health system. Such as:

* There are, on average the equivalent of twenty-eight 9/11s a year in the US in preventable deaths due to health care shortfall (US has worst record for preventable deaths of any developed nation).

* ~ 46% of all personal bankruptcy in the US is related to medical bills and >80% of those are people with insurance plans.

I am disturbed by the US health care system. People being dropped for pre-existing conditions, running out of cover and being expected to start paying, co-pay plans!? I couldn't live somewhere which enables an industry to trade health for wealth.