nightchild on 12/2/2017 at 17:44
hahahahaha!!!!!! Thank you downwinder for starting this thread and all you people that commented!!! What nice lol moments!!!!! Realy, thank you all... It was fun!!
Downwinder, I like you, you are a dedicated fan and player and there are enough times that I get annoyed by ZylonBane being sarcastic towards your lack of orthography but all is fine and dandy as long as you remember that all these stuff, dewdrop included, is just FICTION ..
(I personally don't give a fig for the doll but ...just think of that: what kind of a person is someone -even a thief- who would steal the one and only possession of a poor pagan living in hiding and in fear of everyone, hungry and cold in the hostile environment of a big city? ... this little doll that is his/her only companion and joy? :eek:
Grandmauden on 12/2/2017 at 21:07
Quote Posted by nightchild
what kind of a person is someone -even a thief- who would steal the one and only possession of a poor pagan living in hiding and in fear of everyone, hungry and cold in the hostile environment of a big city? ... this little doll that is his/her only companion and joy? :eek:
To be fair, Garrett didn't really "steal" Dewdrop from Lily; her ghost basically gifted it to him, if only because she was dead and he was the first non-Mechanist to show up at her home. Garrett took the doll presumably out of respect for the massacred Pagans and as a way to help him remember the tragedy that took place at Beck o' the Wills.
On that note, Garrett's discovery of Dewdrop and the Beck o' the Wills massacre, his conversation with the dying Lotus, and even his encounter with the Servants at the Eastport Mechanist Seminary, all serve as key points for Garrett's character development.
Throughout TDP/G, Garrett is only concerned about himself and his well-being. Any time he helps out someone else (e.g. Cutty, Basso, and the besieged Hammerites), he does so because he expects something in return. Garrett refuses to kill other people not just because it's unprofessional, but because he understands they're just doing their jobs and they don't have anything personal against him (which, by extension, proves that Garrett despises the thought of taking innocent lives). Even if someone goes out of their way to betray and/or attempt to kill him (e.g. Ramirez and Constantine), Garrett's idea of revenge is to humiliate or sabotage them instead of outright killing them.
This trend continues into TMA. When Garrett first becomes aware of the Mechanists, he simply treats them as wackier Hammerites. In fact, had Garrett been able to learn from Truart that the Mechanists were out to get him, he probably would've reacted like he did in the past: rob Angelwatch blind to teach them a lesson, then move on with his life.
But instead, Garrett finds several atrocities committed by the Mechanists, including experimenting on innocent lowlifes to turn them into mindless servants / killer weapons, and extinguishing every single harmless Pagan they can find. Suddenly, the Mechanists aren't just another minor hindrance in this world of people who hate criminals, but a cruel and soulless sect that Garrett legitimately hates. By the time he agrees to team up with Viktoria, he does so not just to get the Mechanists off his back, but to avenge Lily, Cedar, Fern, Birch, Minnow, and all the others whom the Mechanists had mercilessly slaughtered. Then, when Garrett finds Lotus imprisoned in a cold storage unit, freezing to death and begging Garrett to end his suffering, the thief drops any concern for his own personal gain and becomes committed to defeating Karras and his followers solely so they can't hurt anyone else.
By the time it's all over, Garrett has been so profoundly affected that he is willing to trust the Keepers if it means preventing any more calamities, thus leading to his continued development during TDS into The City's greatest protector.
...Whoa. :wot: Didn't mean to write an entire essay there.
tl;dr, Dewdrop is one of the reasons Garrett became a better person. :thumb:
downwinder on 12/2/2017 at 22:03
ty grandmauden
Renault on 13/2/2017 at 03:28
Quote Posted by Grandmauden
tl;dr, Dewdrop is one of the reasons Garrett became a better person. :thumb:
Doubtful, since picking him up is optional.
Random_Taffer on 13/2/2017 at 05:09
Quote Posted by Grandmauden
Then, when Garrett finds Lotus imprisoned in a cold storage unit, freezing to death and begging Garrett to end his suffering, the thief drops any concern for his own personal gain and becomes committed to defeating Karras and his followers solely so they can't hurt anyone else.
IMO, this actually happens when Viktoria dies.
nightchild on 14/2/2017 at 03:36
Quote Posted by Grandmauden
To be fair, Garrett didn't really "steal" Dewdrop from Lily; her ghost basically gifted it to him, if only because she was dead and he was the first non-Mechanist to show up at her home. Garrett took the doll presumably out of respect for the massacred Pagans and as a way to help him remember the tragedy that took place at Beck o' the Wills.
On that note, Garrett's discovery of Dewdrop and the Beck o' the Wills massacre, his conversation with the dying Lotus, and even his encounter with the Servants at the Eastport Mechanist Seminary, all serve as key points for Garrett's character development.
Throughout TDP/G, Garrett is only concerned about himself and his well-being. Any time he helps out someone else (e.g. Cutty, Basso, and the besieged Hammerites), he does so because he expects something in return. Garrett refuses to kill other people not just because it's unprofessional, but because he understands they're just doing their jobs and they don't have anything personal against him (which, by extension, proves that Garrett despises the thought of taking innocent lives). Even if someone goes out of their way to betray and/or attempt to kill him (e.g. Ramirez and Constantine), Garrett's idea of revenge is to humiliate or sabotage them instead of outright killing them.
This trend continues into TMA. When Garrett first becomes aware of the Mechanists, he simply treats them as wackier Hammerites. In fact, had Garrett been able to learn from Truart that the Mechanists were out to get him, he probably would've reacted like he did in the past: rob Angelwatch blind to teach them a lesson, then move on with his life.
But instead, Garrett finds several atrocities committed by the Mechanists, including experimenting on innocent lowlifes to turn them into mindless servants / killer weapons, and extinguishing every single harmless Pagan they can find. Suddenly, the Mechanists aren't just another minor hindrance in this world of people who hate criminals, but a cruel and soulless sect that Garrett legitimately hates. By the time he agrees to team up with Viktoria, he does so not just to get the Mechanists off his back, but to avenge Lily, Cedar, Fern, Birch, Minnow, and all the others whom the Mechanists had mercilessly slaughtered. Then, when Garrett finds Lotus imprisoned in a cold storage unit, freezing to death and begging Garrett to end his suffering, the thief drops any concern for his own personal gain and becomes committed to defeating Karras and his followers solely so they can't hurt anyone else.
By the time it's all over, Garrett has been so profoundly affected that he is willing to trust the Keepers if it means preventing any more calamities, thus leading to his continued development during TDS into The City's greatest protector.
...Whoa. :wot: Didn't mean to write an entire essay there.
tl;dr, Dewdrop is one of the reasons Garrett became a better person. :thumb:
oh, yes.. thank you for all the trouble you got in explaining but I know the story. I too have played all the OM's out there. My comment was due to downwinder's request of dewdrop in missions and as we all know, in most of the FM's that include the doll, is somewhere around a poor pagan and we ...just take it from him/her. But mostly it was a "tongue-in-cheek" comment about the specific issue..
