nickie on 14/4/2011 at 19:16
Quote Posted by gunsmoke
Apparently, he is logging in from the comfort of his couch, because twice now she happened to be where he was logged in, while he was logged in and he simply wasn't there. Not just a few minutes here and there, these were entire shifts and she had to pick up his slack.
I don't understand this.
Twice he wasn't where he was supposed to be. What's the length of time between these two occasions. Was he asked where he was? How does she know he was at home? Did she hang around in these two places for the whole time he was supposed to be there? I don't know anything about these logging in and out things so it all sounds a bit weird to me. Can you tell where people do logging in and out from?
I'd have thought a little more evidence was needed. OK, it may seem obvious he's cheating but surely it's got to be more than twice. And does this not merit some questioning? Seems slightly strange behaviour, to catch someone out in something and not question them?
Don't you have to give verbal and written warnings in the US before you can fire someone?
Personally, I'd stick my neck out if it was a very best friend, otherwise I'd stay well clear.
CCCToad on 14/4/2011 at 23:25
Quote Posted by nickie
Don't you have to give verbal and written warnings in the US before you can fire someone?
According to federal law, no.
According to a lot of company policies, yes.
About the phone system, I've used them before. The one I used worked like an automated customer service system. You'd call in, punch in your ID, then punch in the applicable code #. If he was gone for a whole shift, my first reaction would be to call the guy up and ask if he's ok. If he's missed multiple shifts and not had any trouble that came up, it can be reasonably assumed that integrity is not one of his qualities. She's justified in firing him because he isn't doing work, just not justified in gossiping.
Martin Karne on 15/4/2011 at 00:28
Well if she is doing this for someone you know right now, she might do this for you one day in the future, backstabbing or not you have to inform your friend, because so far this seems to be a one sided story, ask him about what she says about him, if is true then you might have to tell him the grim future head of him, and then offer him to try to sweet the pill on her for him.
Is all about him, anyway, him, him, him, oh him again oh god make it stop.
Scots Taffer on 15/4/2011 at 03:12
I'd question the veracity of what you're hearing in terms of "he wasn't here, he was at home on the couch". How do you know this is true?
And this is your friend and you didn't get him any kind of heads up after he got caught with his pants down the first time? With friends like these...
Fafhrd on 15/4/2011 at 03:51
Yeah, I'd warn the friend that the DM's got it out for him before I took the DM to task for unprofessionalism in snarking about her employees (especially if you're still technically in some sort of entry level position. She might put you in the same boat as your friend if you question her leadership to her face).
Tocky on 15/4/2011 at 04:20
I think he meant she told him about the two times in one discussion. I don't think I should comment because I tend to say exactly what I think at work and that rarely plays well politics wise. The strangest people become managers, toadies, butt kissers, slackers, but they never last the long haul. Producers last. I don't expect her to last. Your buddy is a slacker and he won't last anywhere either but he is your buddy. I would tell him and ask him to keep mum.
reizak on 15/4/2011 at 12:08
That's such a classic no-win situation that it almost sounds like a Bioware RPG. I would tell him if he was trustworthy enough that I'd know for sure that my involvement wouldn't come out. That does sound like a pretty big if though assuming the couch bit is at all accurate. But if it was a job I absolutely wouldn't want to risk and I had any doubts about him keeping shut, then I'd keep way out of it. He only has himself to blame in the end, and there's no sense in throwing yourself into the fire out of solidarity if there's nothing you can actually do about the situation.
Although there's still the situation with the district manager. Sounds like working under her would be an endless font of drama and stress.
Martin Karne on 16/4/2011 at 03:50
What if she is just a lying bitch? He is your friend, you have to confirm this fact before staying there watching the paint dry.
Then you shall see the next move.
In the meantime do not say anything to that backstabbing woman.
mxleader on 16/4/2011 at 04:33
I'd stay out of it. Getting in the middle of it could get messy. Besides, maybe your friend is a slacker.
