Muzman on 16/4/2011 at 06:37
I'd echo what others are saying about the system itself. Just how easy, or not, is it to clock yourself in with the wrong code?
Find that out and if he's actually been slacking off, 'cause if she cans him the way she said he should sue the place and you should witness for him.
Martin Karne on 16/4/2011 at 17:58
1.He is your friend.
2.You don't know this woman.
3.She is doing this to a friend of yours.
4.What she will do next? Fire you too based on loose gossiping around the company?
theBlackman on 17/4/2011 at 08:19
Keep your mouth shut.
If you confront her you may get dumped in the shitter.
If you tell him and it gets back to her you are in the shitter.
If you are uncomfortable with the situation, Quit and let her and him deal with it.
He's your friend, but you are not "Your Brothers Kipper". It's his problem and you don't need to support him. You need to take care of you and yours, not worry about his work habits.
Or stay there, do your job, don't kiss up to her, don't confront her and never repeat anything you hear from her when she is ranting to anyone at all even your girl/boyfriend.
As they say, "A secret can be held by two people if one of them is dead!"
Martin Karne on 17/4/2011 at 19:57
Oh I see, cowardice comes before loyalty, nice.
theBlackman on 17/4/2011 at 20:17
Quote Posted by Martin Karne
Oh I see, cowardice comes before loyalty, nice.
Cowardice is not the issue. If it is loyalty, then the company should get it or he should quit.
If you think the issue is Friendship, then he can tell his friend, but to be morally upright he should quit the job, which is where his loyalty should be unless he is a congenital liar.
"I'll do the job and give the company my full LOYAL service" is part of taking a job. If you don't see it that way, I hope you never ask me for a job.
Honor your/his friendship and tell his friend. Honor his WORD as a man and he should quit if he steps outside of the company to blow the whistle on his supervisor, unless he does so to her superior, he is an untrustworthy employee.
Fafhrd on 18/4/2011 at 01:04
Quote Posted by theBlackman
"I'll do the job and give the company my full LOYAL service" is part of taking a job.
LOLWHUT? What fucking universe are you living in? 'Fulfilling the requirements of my job description' is the sum total of taking a job. It's a JOB, it's not servitude, and loyalty to the company is only applicable insofar as the company deserves it, and the District Manager is NOT the fucking company. Furthermore: telling your friend that your mutual boss thinks he's a slacker and is planning to fuck him over isn't being disloyal to the company. If the DM didn't want anyone to know, then they should've kept it between themselves and HR. And if there's even a slight possibility that it's going to be a case of wrongful termination, then it
absolutely needs to be discussed, as there are legal ramifications for the friend AND the company.
theBlackman on 18/4/2011 at 13:23
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
LOLWHUT? What fucking universe are you living in? [...]
It would take a few pages to explain it to you, and you wouldn't understand if I took the time.
Here is the short version:
Simply, if your 'friend' is screwing up tell him you heard that he might be getting the shaft.
Who told you is not your option. Passing rumor and possible confidences to another is not your job.
As for the 'JOB'. You are accepting the money to WORK for that company. To honor your commitment to them in the quality of your work, assisting the company to grow and prosper is what you gave your word to.
Warn your friend that he/she needs to clean up their act, but in my world you don't lie, cheat, or steal for your friends, or yourself.
Your word is your bond and you honor it. Those who don't are untrustworthy and, in my case, avoided. They aren't worth the time or wasted breath.
If you find a conflict in these conditions and think the company or its hirelings are in error, your options are to go to a higher authority with a complaint about your immediate super, or quit your job.
Your 'friend' knows they have screwed up, they know that they are cheating the company (and possibly you down the road). A warning that they are under observation and possibly enroute to unemployment is not unwarranted.
The reason or person from whom you gained this information is not yours to divulge unless you have direct personal knowledge of the incident, which in the described case is not true. You have only the babblings of the supervisor. Which you cannot verify.
Chimpy Chompy on 18/4/2011 at 14:45
So you have a quiet word, "psst I hear management has it in for you, make sure you people see you making an effort".
As for LOYALTY I'd be inclined to feel that way towards my employer and certainly wouldn't try to get by on the minimum outlined in my contract. But I have a good job and they're decent people.
Scots Taffer on 19/4/2011 at 03:14
Yeah, there's a bit of grey between "it's a job, it's just a prescribed list of duties" and "HONOUR THY COMPANY AT THE COST OF THY FRIENDSHIP" views (not to mention the "let's get paid for doing as little as possible" view which the guy may be ascribing to if the stories are true) and ultimately I think it boils down to how the company values employees - I, like Chimpy, have a lot of respect and loyalty to my company because it tends to treat its employees as a key success factor in how it achieves its business goals whereas I wouldn't be surprised if Fafhrd's company (not meaning to pick on you but you gave a very specific worldview) has a very cold and corporate attitude towards its employees hence it would somewhat foolish to idealistic notions of loyalty to an employer without that level of respect flowing the other way.
37637598 on 19/4/2011 at 09:01
The only gray area between loyalty to friends and to the work place I see here is the difference of what you want out of the job. For instance, if you're perfectly content doing the minimum required duties in order to collect a monthly income then you'll be any Joe who's worked at that value mart on main street for the last 15 years. On the other hand you can not only fulfill the Joe bound duties, but also go the extra mile to prove to the company that your employment is crucial to the stable operation of the business, in which case you'll not only be seen as an asset and likely keep your job beyond the days of Joe, but may also prove yourself the first qualified candidate for manager Jeff's position when he's called up to corporate. Managers are born managers, and Joe's are sadly born with no pride, simple as that.
Think about what's important to you right now. You're potentially the kind of employee that company needs right now. Sure no manager should bad mouth their employees, but get real, if I was managing a group of careless imbeciles who were creating more work for me than their paycheck is worth, you think I would bite my tongue in the presence of my buddy co-worker who I feel may share my frustrations? If I were you, I'd say #u!* your friend, friends come and go but opportunities only come when the strange ways of chance combined with motivated attempts and a hint of religious powers from yonder combine to bring you that golden ticket just waiting for you to cash it in. Your friend will find another job, and mess it up too. Don't let fools drag you down. There's a difference between loyalty and stupidity.
