Kolya on 20/1/2015 at 15:55
I read that his second lashing has been postponed due to widespread protests. Here's hope he's ultimately sentenced less severely.
Azaran on 21/1/2015 at 01:25
Quote Posted by faetal
A larger point is that this kind of thing isn't restricted to Islam - there are plenty of Christian on Muslim massacres occurring in Africa (also, the Sabra Shatila massacre in Lebanon in the '80s was particularly brutal), but we don't get that in our press because it isn't news until nice white people we can identify with get affected. Likewise, there is plenty of violence from Buddhist extremists in Burma (Dema can probably pad that out if need be), but I don't think many people are worried about the inherent violence of Buddhism. Also not to be forgotten is the Muslim on Mulsim violence between Shi'ites and Sunnis
From the little I know of the Burma situation, the local Buddhists feel threatened by Islam and are lashing out, and there's also nationalistic and ethnic variables in the mix. Whereas violence by Islamic or Christian terrorists is typically motivated by pure hatred and intolerance of others, or a desire to convert them (it's based on the exclusive and proselytizing nature of those religions).
And there is a ton of Christian terrorism out there which often goes unreported. Northeast India is full of (
http://hinduworld.tripod.com/views/nscn.html) Christian Taliban, who have terrorized the region (and may be funded by western evangelical churches).
(
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/preaching_in_indias_northeast_for_cultural_preservation.htm)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Anti-Hindu_violence_in_India)
Then there's the evangelical(
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=89,11172,0,0,1,0#.VL7_fxZBqwU) war against Buddhism in South Korea
(
http://www.sinhalanet.net/attacks-on-buddhist-temples-in-south-korea-ignored-by-unhrc-navi-pillai-and-ban-ki-moon)
Tony_Tarantula on 21/1/2015 at 05:03
Quote Posted by Kolya
I read that his second lashing has been postponed due to widespread protests. Here's hope he's ultimately sentenced less severely.
I wouldn't count on it. More likely it's just to buy time until the Western media's 11-day news cycle moves on to something else.
Gryzemuis on 21/1/2015 at 15:29
I read a nice quote about religion today.
Tony_Tarantula on 21/1/2015 at 15:43
Yeah....sure.
Name any "religious" war or persecution, and I'll point you to a secular ringleader who stood to profit from what was going on.
That quote also doesn't explain all the people who thought they were doing their divine duty to the state by torturing the "traitors" kept in Lubyanka.
Azaran on 21/1/2015 at 16:22
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Yeah....sure.
Name any "religious" war or persecution, and I'll point you to a secular ringleader who stood to profit from what was going on.
What's interesting is that in many cases even when there was a non-religious motivating factor, religion was always at the forefront. The best example is colonialism: although economic exploitation was a big factor, the
main obsession of Catholic and Protestant occupiers was the conversion of conquered peoples to Christianity and the destruction of their culture (perhaps to make them easier to conquer?). The Quakers, after they took over parts of Alaska, even forbade dancing and festivities, telling the local Inuit it was demonic
faetal on 21/1/2015 at 18:05
Tony, that would fall under the category of bad people doing bad things.
Tony_Tarantula on 21/1/2015 at 19:20
Read up more.
They were fully convinced that what they were doing was right and necessary for the preservation of the state.
Please explain how people doing what is right and necessary for the cause of the state is "bad people doing bad things", but people doing what is right and necessary for the cause of their religion is "good people doing bad things".
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religion was always at the forefront. The best example is colonialism: although economic exploitation was a big factor, the main obsession of Catholic and Protestant occupiers was the conversion of conquered peoples to Christianity and the destruction of their culture (perhaps to make them easier to conquer?). The Quakers, after they took over parts of Alaska, even forbade dancing and festivities, telling the local Inuit it was demonic
Religion was always at the forefront of the line being fed to the suckers who were at the front lines of those wars....or in cases where religion was a weak societal influence, worship of "god" was replaced with worship of the state.
faetal on 21/1/2015 at 19:29
And of course, bad people would never lie to disguise their intentions.
The US invaded Iraq to save the world from WMDs too you know.
