bassoferrol on 28/1/2015 at 16:55
I wish Mahoma had been deaf, blind and dumb.
What would his teachings be in that case?
But no, God elected him because God is always bored and angry and sometimes needs a puppet to work for him/her/it because we don't know the proper way as how to clean our own asses and so we need instructions from above.
C'mon, how can people believe in such stupid things and rules according to sex, food and many other things that can only have its origin in a deranged mind trying to keep us waiting for an endless orgy for males only in a paradise gained through hatred.
The next prophet will be a woman telling men to close their eyes and wear a headscarf, but in their foreskin because women are sinners just for the fact of being attractive to the fucking male prophets that were around not so long ago but still millions follow them. Two thousand years after the Roman Empire and we learnt nothing and still a lot of people thinking that Mahoma was a prophet. Where are you, Freud? We need you.
Tony_Tarantula on 28/1/2015 at 19:21
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Also, the South Park thing is a red herring. The issue with Charlie Hebdo was depicting the prophet Mohammed, which is prohibited in Islam.
No, it's not a red herring. Season 5, Episode 3 "Super Best Friends" portrayed the prophet Mohammed.
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Now most Muslims would express disgust, try to ignore it, complain to their friends in much the same way as e.g. US conservatives might whine about gay marriage because it offends their guns or whatever. However, the disaffected, disenfranchised, psychotic, generally violent or culturally fanatical sorts will use perceived insults as a nucleation point to tune their violence in to. The people who committed the Charlie Hebdo murders probably did so because they are predisposed to violence others and a destructive urge towards others. Having the excuse of doing it for a higher purpose must seem like a tempting salve for whatever sparks of conscience or self-loathing they might have towards their own vile nature. I'd even go as far as to suggest that having a perceived higher purpose allows one to entirely bypass any morality checks, as long as you're focussed enough on it. What higher purpose than to please the creator of the universe?
And that is the key psychological principle used to manipulate those who are "strangers", to put it in esoteric terminology.
faetal on 28/1/2015 at 19:32
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No, it's not a red herring. Season 5, Episode 3 "Super Best Friends" portrayed the prophet Mohammed.
Well done for only quoting the part
before I discuss why it's a red herring. Because violent extremists haven't also targeted Parker & Stone or all of the other various people who criticise Islam (of which there are many), does not mean that it's not influenced by religion. It's an "all or nothing" argument and makes no sense, which I'm sure you know.
Sphinx on 28/1/2015 at 21:06
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No it's a sect. In France they are forbiden. In USA it depends of States if i remember well.
That's why I was surprised it could be considered as a religion, I knew it was prohibited in France, for instance. Also, from what I can recall from a documentary I have watched long time ago, they do not believe in a God, or am I mistaken ?
If anyone knows about the subject, I'd be interested to hear more from him/her.
Tony_Tarantula on 28/1/2015 at 22:03
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Well done for only quoting the part
before I discuss why it's a red herring. Because violent extremists haven't also targeted Parker & Stone or all of the other various people who criticise Islam (of which there are many), does not mean that it's not influenced by religion. It's an "all or nothing" argument and makes no sense, which I'm sure you know.
It's significant because it begs the question of why there is an inconsistent application of the principle that they need to kill anyone who draws mohammed.
I seem to recall that nobody even noticed they'd done it. It simply wasn't an issue and nobody cared. How did we get from that to ten years later where drawings of Mohammed (ostensibly, at least) cause riots across muslim countries?
bassoferrol on 28/1/2015 at 22:15
Any public support, demonstrations in Islamic countries to express sorrow for the relatives and friends of those killed by terrorists? No, but hundreds of thousands of idiots turned up in Chechenia in the name of Alá. Where was Alá to stop those crimes? Nowhere, it's so simple, Alá doesn't exist. Where is the problem?
What was a terrorist attack by fanatic minds has turned into: What have we done bad? Simple: letting them in!
faetal on 28/1/2015 at 23:08
Tony, are you honestly wondering why they don't simultaneously kill everyone who draws Mohammed (rhetorical question, not actual straw man)? Do you think the shooters had something personal against the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo? They happened to get the shooters' attention somehow - years of drawing Mohammed will probably do the trick. This particular incident involved people who were living in France - they're not going to consult a tick list and say "well, we have to kill every last person who drew Mohammed and South Park is higher up the list, I guess we're going to have to save for plane tickets".
Without religion, why would these people have targeted Charlie Hebdo?
faetal on 28/1/2015 at 23:13
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Any public support, demonstrations in Islamic countries to express sorrow for the relatives and friends of those killed by terrorists? No, but hundreds of thousands of idiots turned up in Chechenia in the name of Alá. Where was Alá to stop those crimes? Nowhere, it's so simple, Alá doesn't exist. Where is the problem?
What was a terrorist attack by fanatic minds has turned into: What have we done bad? Simple: letting them in!
Odd, I didn't see the streets filled with Christian protesters after the Anders Breivik killings either. It's almost as if Christians aren't part of some big hive mind that have to take responsibility for the acts of all other Christians. Likewise, where were the heartfelt protests in "Christian countries" for the hundreds of Muslims killed by Christian fanatics in Nigeria last year? Collective responsibility and comments like your last sentence are just basic xenophobia.
Sphinx on 28/1/2015 at 23:42
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Without religion, why would these people have targeted Charlie Hebdo?
Are you insinuating that the fault is in the religion ?
Pyrian on 29/1/2015 at 00:18
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Without religion, why would these people have targeted Charlie Hebdo?
I imagine Charlie Hebdo would've simply found another way to insult their culture in the first place. "Death before dishonor" and insult as a deadly offense requiring redress in blood is actually a historically quite common attitude, whether the insult is religious or not.
