catbarf on 9/1/2015 at 23:42
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I think it's incredibly appropriate or I wouldn't have brought it up.
But I'll go elsewhere with it if you guys don't want to talk about it.
VA, I've been called a gun nut and even I don't think this is the time or place for a discussion on gun control. People in favor of gun control will use this tragedy as an argument for gun control, and people not in favor will use this as an argument against it, but either way I don't think anything productive is going to result.
Tony_Tarantula on 10/1/2015 at 01:45
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
It's NOT about empowerment. It's not about being bigger or badder than anybody else. Maybe that's the way it is in the US, but not here. I don't feel the need to be the alpha male, and I don't believe that any of the people in my camp that I lobby with feel the need either. But people keep telling us that we're just one bad day away from being a mass murderer or that we can't shoot strait or make important decisions because we're not cops or military. Telling me that I need to lay down my life in the event of a violent crime or act of terror just to make others "feel" safe because I'm not carrying a gun.... well... I don't understand how that is anything but emotion. Pass laws, feel safe. Too bad you actually aren't any safer when you do that.
Well stated. Any responsible gun owners knows that nobody should even know you it on you until you're pulling it out to use it. I've also always felt that the arguments that any gun owner is likely to just pull out a gun and shoot someone because they fall like it say more about the people making those arguments. A lot of America's left-leaning yuppies have so little self restraint that they're (literally) incapable of imagining that someone else has the discipline to not shoot someone they're mad at.
Volitions Advocate on 10/1/2015 at 05:08
Maybe I was a bit hasty, I'm on a short fuse about the topic right now because we are literally under intense political attack, and in Canada being a gun owner in 2014 was not fun. Even right now in Parliament the government is trying to introduce legislation that will reduce the number of redundant steps a gun owner needs to do just in order to go to the range and shoot their guns. But the opposition is lying their faces of and talking about the wild wild west and how the entire country is going to be so unsafe when all the new bill is doing is getting rid of 3 pieces of paper that do nothing beyond what a single piece already does.
I'm invested in it, and the lot of us in Canada have stopped pulling our punches, because being quiet and trying to speak calmly about it has gotten us nothing but more and more sanctions and less concern from others when our rights are violated.
But like I said. I'll just quietly withdraw because if nobody wants to talk about it here there's no point in me beating a dead horse.
faetal on 10/1/2015 at 10:00
Either way, we do not need guns here.
Stefan_Key on 10/1/2015 at 16:43
There's merely 5 millions Muslims in France. About 7,5 % of french population.
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country)
So in this 7,5% "all" would support that terrorist state ? Of course, not. Maybe 2% or less.
+ I doubt that 10% non-muslims support the IS.
Be careful with your info, people.
Tony_Tarantula on 12/1/2015 at 17:17
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
I'm invested in it, and the lot of us in Canada have stopped pulling our punches, because being quiet and trying to speak calmly about it has gotten us nothing but more and more sanctions and less concern from others when our rights are violated.
But like I said. I'll just quietly withdraw because if nobody wants to talk about it here there's no point in me beating a dead horse.
It's hardly just a "guns" issue. Traditional left-wing causes have been suffering a massive backlash on numerous topics, worldwide due to precisely the tactics that you discussed. Some hyperbole is effective PR but they seem to have forgotten one of Alinsky's core principles: your "bad guys" need to be a small group that nobody can relate to. Trying to pick out groups like "white males", "gamers", "gun owners", "fraternities", etc. as the bad guys is suicidal because you alienate large portions of the population by doing so. The attacks have also been so over the top as to inspire. There's a reason why support for gun control laws has been dropping off sharply and only one out of five women now self identify as feminist.
You also need to keep in mind that that the current political situation is extremely troubling in the long term. Generally these events occur during economic disruptions which fester tension between one group that distinguishes itself from others In Britain it coincided with Riots and civil wars within Christianity between “Papists” (Catholics) and Protestants. This plagued Britain and fueled it civil war resulting in the beheading of the Catholic King Charles I. Civil Unrest is part of human nature. We all get along when the economy is doing well. Turn it down and what emerges is the rise in tensions between groups.
faetal on 13/1/2015 at 19:02
Yeah, they should check people's passports to see if they are jihadis - why are Frants so stooppit?!!
