Thor on 14/11/2015 at 10:08
Wtf. Where do such natural mistakes come from? 2015 and they're still around... :|
This is sad... I hope all our french taffers are OK.
icemann on 14/11/2015 at 11:19
My condolences to all affected.
Each and every time these things happen I try and work out a solution to it all, and can never come up with one. Give up to ISIS and let them run the world? Nope that`d never happen. Kick all people of Muslim religion off to some far away island? Hell no.
How you can "beat" something that's in every country, could be anyone. Un-winnable.
So yeah. I dunno. All so pointless.
Manwe on 14/11/2015 at 11:57
I recently replayed Deus Ex and it's scary how it predicted everything that's happening. I guess Marine Le Pen's election is a sure thing now... Which is terrible. Not because she's an evil nazi extremist (she's not), but because by electing her, people foolishly think she will bring about radical changes (she won't). In fact, what will happen if she (or any one of our current politician) is elected is more repression for the French people, and more muslim bashing (who now represent a significant portion of the French population). While at the same time welcoming ever more foreigners, and not putting our economy back on track, because: Europe.
And to all those who think some nebulous islamist terrorists are responsible for this, ask yourselves, à qui profite ce putain de crime? Who benefits from this crime? Certainly not Isis itself as we'll just bomb them to hell, again (you'd think there wouldn't be many of them left standing by now, but it seems our bombs are not as effective as theirs). Certainly not the muslim population either, they'll be the first ones to pay the price for this.
And admitting it's the long-reaching arm of the all-powerful Isis, who the fuck trained these guys? They're cold-blooded, professionnally-trained soldiers. Where did they get their weapons? And even if it's them, they're legitimate in their fight anyway. We started it, we invaded them in the first place. We're just ripping what we sowed.
PS: Screw you all in advance if you don't like my tone, I'm tired of seeing my country going to hell.
demagogue on 14/11/2015 at 12:47
Just to answer your question though, general word is that ISIS is pretty much Saddam Hussain's Sunni Republican Guard reformed, at least its leadership. That's why they use military tactics and hold land so well, and where the weapons came from. And they're in Sunni dominant areas that aren't so motivated to fight them off for a Shia gov't that doesn't even try to hide how little it cares about them. The whole region, Iraq and Syria, has just disintegrated, the only thing to look forward to is balkanization, and people are calling this the start of the Arab 30 years war.
So that's where the chaos is coming from that's coming to Europe's shores, maybe the US sooner or later, and there's not much the West can do because pick your strategy--air campaigns or drone bombings or training their army or sending our own troops and occupying them or sanctions or ignoring it--we tried it all before and they all failed miserably. And the innocent suffer.
I weep for France's loss. As some of you know, I witnessed 9/11 firsthand in NYC and it messed me up for a while. I'm sad to think for a lot of people this will stay with them too. I wish there were some way to respond to all the pain.
And for what it's worth, there were suicide bombings in Beiruit and Bagdhad near my friend's house too. The suffering transcends borders.
heywood on 14/11/2015 at 13:42
Quote Posted by Manwe
And even if it's them, they're legitimate in their fight anyway. We started it, we invaded them in the first place. We're just ripping what we sowed.
I have to take issue with this victim blaming. France was notably one of the only western nations NOT to participate in the Iraq war. France hasn't invaded Syria either. France has conducted some air strikes in Syria just over the last month or so, but only after enduring several Islamic terrorist attacks this year, some by terrorists with ties to ISIS.
Who benefits from this? ISIS does. By demonstrating they can retaliate against western nations at home, they can dis-incentivize countries from joining or escalating the fight in Syria. Their second aim is to get all the jihadis around the world aligned behind them. By showing that they can conduct major attacks while al-Qaeda cannot, they get more jihadists and jihadi groups to switch allegiance from al-Qaeda to ISIS.
Manwe on 14/11/2015 at 15:46
Quote Posted by heywood
I have to take issue with this victim blaming. France was notably one of the only western nations NOT to participate in the Iraq war. France hasn't invaded Syria either. France has conducted some air strikes in Syria just over the last month or so, but only after enduring several Islamic terrorist attacks this year, some by terrorists with ties to ISIS.
Ever heard of billionaire philanthropist philosopher (
https://youtu.be/F36OXrrO3Fc?t=15s) Bernard Henri Levi? That guy has more blood on his hands than most dictators of early 20th century. He single-handedly declared war on Lybia, which destabilized all of North Africa. And when BHL gives an order, our Presidents follow suit. Our current president (affectionately called (
https://www.google.fr/search?q=flamby&biw=1280&bih=848&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIi4W50qCQyQIVQnsPCh3rtQ9g) Flanby ) had the brilliant idea to invade Mali to fight off the terrorists we'd been supporting previously in Lybia. And of course, we re-integrated the international terrorist organization NATO in 2009 on the wise decision of another notorious war criminal and US lackey: Nicolas Sarkozy.
Basically, on top of being completely inept, our government is the most fervent supporter of US policy.
Nicker on 14/11/2015 at 17:22
Things are already getting a bit heated here. Just a reminder that the title of this thread is In Sympathy.
If people want to draw up sides and grapple with the politics et al, perhaps they could start a separate thread.
My sympathies to the people of France and the city of Paris, on this terrible day. I hope that our French taffers escaped the carnage and that the spirit of egalitarianism and reason will not be lost in the birthplace of modern democracy.
faetal on 14/11/2015 at 18:15
It's not victim blaming - the victims were innocent people, not those who've spent decades making terrible foreign policy choices.
Azaran on 14/11/2015 at 18:24
Quote Posted by Medlar
Is this religion or envy driven hate?
It's driven by (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism) this.
Unfortunately, governments would never dare criticize its enablers. After all, oil is more important than human rights, lives, and social harmony
