Stitch on 11/8/2010 at 14:13
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
WHAT ABOUT THE LAWS OF PHYSICS
but seriously, the wobble is the giggle for the audience's benefit if anything
That doesn't even begin to make sense. The wobble is there to keep things deliberately vague.
Think of it this way: if this is your movie and you want to send a "stark statement" that it was all a dream, are you really going to cut out mid-wobble? Of course not.
old toro on 11/8/2010 at 22:18
One more vote for the "meh" side.
In fact, I think the movie is bad. Visuals without substance.
[spoiler] The good: great cast. The bad: except diCaprio, the actors were underused. The best part was the first chase (in the reality), totally destroyed by the limousine escape. Yep, the kiss scene was surreal in this inhumanly cold movie. The militarized consciousness was a total joke. There was no real villain. Also the actors were speaking for the audience more than necessary. Cop-out solution used to hide plot holes. The 4th dream should not have happened. The ambiguous end for a movie filled with plot holes. In the end, empty visuals. But I have to admit that the beginning of the movie felt somewhat "cyberpunk-ish", a anti hero running from a corporation. Tell me more. But then they went batshit insane. To much cleverness killed this movie. A "less is more" approach could have created a classic sf movie (like one or maximum 2 levels of dreaming). A beautiful mess is still a mess. [/spoiler]
Sulphur on 11/8/2010 at 22:31
People are going to have to start outlining what the hell is so messy about the movie's plot, or I'm going to start cross-posting random WWE smackdown pictures from the pro-wrestling thread.
ZylonBane on 11/8/2010 at 22:54
"As soon as the music ends, you blow up the hospital and we all ride the kick up the layers!"
d0om on 12/8/2010 at 13:37
1) Cobb's wife can't still be alive and Cobb still dreaming. Otherwise surely she would just go back into the dream (The reality of the film) and tell Cobb look, I came back. YOU ARE DREAMING NOW WAKE UP PLIX. She only appears in dreams within the main film, not the main film itself indicating that she is only in Cobb's subconscious. (Or possibly that she never existed at all and everything is a dream.)
2) I was disappointed that nothing was made of Cobb saying he married his wife after having a dream of them growing old together. I thought this would turn out to be her inceptioning him into loving her.
3) As other people have said, the kicks don't make sense. At the start of the film the kick is applied in the reality/dream one higher to wake you up out of the lower dream. In the "heist" stage of the film however, there is no kick in the plane to wake them out of the dreamWorld1. There is a kick in dreamWorld1 to wake them out of the hotelDream. The hotelDream has a kick in the lift to wake them out of iceFortressAssualtDream. There is no need for the massive explosion in the iceFortressAssualtDream? (Unless that is to wake them out of limbo, but they weren't planning on going there and the only way to get out of limbo that was proposed before was death.)
It was still a very enjoyable film though :)
ZylonBane on 12/8/2010 at 14:22
The film establishes early on that people can drastically influence the landscape of a shared dream, but shouldn't because it makes the projections hostile. Later, when the projections could not possibly be any more hostile than they already are, and it would be extremely useful to summon a few doors and walls, this apparently never occurs to anyone.
d0om on 12/8/2010 at 15:01
The guy in the hotel does do an Escher stairwell thingy to kick someone to his death.
And one of them summons a grenade launcher.
You would have thought they would have done more, yeah.
(Although maybe modifying the world also gives away your location to the projections? In the example they were all converging on the girl before they turned hostile after she was messing with the physics.)
ZylonBane on 12/8/2010 at 15:41
Quote Posted by d0om
And one of them summons a grenade launcher.
I assumed he just brought it with him, so to speak. The movie pretty much glosses over where any of them get their dream-weapons from.
That's ultimately what's so maddening about this movie... it tries to be so very specific about certain things, but leaves the basic stuff completely unexplained.
Morte on 12/8/2010 at 17:02
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
"As soon as the music ends, you blow up the hospital and we all ride the kick up the layers!"
Are you suddenly Tom Chick now?
ZylonBane on 12/8/2010 at 17:04
No, but he makes a valid point.
