van HellSing on 12/8/2010 at 19:31
Saw the movie again today and I think I noticed another "this is not real" clue: the airport scene has a sound in the background reminiscent of the hissing pumping of the injection machine.
SubJeff on 12/8/2010 at 21:22
Eams also alters the architecture in the snow layer.
The kids at the end are wearing different cloths and are played by older actors so hows that affect your theory on the reality/non-reality of the end?
ZylonBane on 12/8/2010 at 21:27
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Eams also alters the architecture in the snow layer.
Explosives don't count.
Asking the architect to make a change to the layout before they even entered the dream doesn't count either.
Sulphur on 12/8/2010 at 21:57
Quote Posted by d0om
3) As other people have said, the kicks don't make sense. At the start of the film the kick is applied in the reality/dream one higher to wake you up out of the lower dream.
I missed the beginning of the movie, but they explicitly state, at multiple points, that if you die in a dream, you wake up (or ascend one layer). That's what happened when Cobb fell into the tub - there's an explosion of water all around him, the dream ends, he wakes up.
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
"As soon as the music ends, you blow up the hospital and we all ride the kick up the layers!"
Eh, when the song ends, they blow the fortress' foundation and they tumble with it, that's the kick for Fortress World, which was to hopefully be synchronised with the kicks to each successful level above it. That's about it.
d0om on 12/8/2010 at 23:13
Cobb falling into the bath in Dream1 made him wake up out of Dream2 and into Dream1.
The explosives in the FortressDream wouldn't wake you up out of the FortressDream. You would need a kick in the HotelDream to do that.
The Fortress explosives were just for kicks, it seems.
Sulphur on 12/8/2010 at 23:49
Quote Posted by d0om
Cobb falling into the bath in Dream1 made him wake up out of Dream2 and into Dream1.
The explosives in the FortressDream wouldn't wake you up out of the FortressDream. You would need a kick in the HotelDream to do that.
The Fortress explosives were just for kicks, it seems.
Each dream layer ends through a kick in that layer itself. Cobb falling into the tub is not an exception - it ended the dream because the water flooded into his dream, killing him there. Of course, the water was caused by real-world stimulus, which is understood.
However: the fortress dream and layers preceding it preclude such an event from happening because of the sedative - the previous layer can't wake them up through any other means (like drowning them) except for a kick via the inner-ear, since the sedative prevents any other stimuli from being felt.
Edit: Haha I seem to have forgotten the most important point: attenuation. Each kick's impact is duller the further down each successive layer is thanks to the sedative, so thanks to attenuation, you wouldn't necessarily feel something as small-scale as falling down in a higher level.
It's 5 A.M. and I'm likely going to start drooping over the keyboard, so I'm going to sleep now. Let me know if that's still unclear: it might be, because I can feel my brain shutting down!
Tonamel on 13/8/2010 at 00:07
Quote Posted by d0om
The Fortress explosives were just for kicks, it seems.
The fortress explosives were to wake up the people in Limbo.
Taffer36 on 13/8/2010 at 05:24
Quote Posted by Tonamel
The fortress explosives were to wake up the people in Limbo.
I think Sulfur is correct, actually.
They didn't plan on anyone entering limbo, and they already had the avalanche in the snow layer (am I remembering correctly?) intended to wake them, which they missed, so I don't think the explosives were to wake people from limbo.
Have people discussed the COBB'S RING AS THE AUDIENCE'S TOTEM theory yet?ZylonBane on 13/8/2010 at 05:26
Quote Posted by Tonamel
The fortress explosives were to wake up the people in Limbo.
People in Limbo can't be woken, remember? They have to wake themselves.
Scots Taffer on 13/8/2010 at 05:34
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That doesn't even begin to make sense. The wobble is there to keep things deliberately vague.
Think of it this way: if this is your movie and you want to send a "stark statement" that it was all a dream, are you really going to cut out mid-wobble? Of course not.
I was drunk when I wrote those comments.
Just FYI.
