demagogue on 26/8/2010 at 20:31
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
If they don't know it they can't get an architect to replicate it. Therefore if you find yourself unsure about whether you are in a dream or not (if someone is trying to manipulate you in) you check your totem. If the weight is correct you know it's reality, if not it's a dream. Totem theory 101 COME ON GET WITH THE PROGRAM :p
I'm just going by fuzzy memory, but I thought Cobb explained it was most important for checking whether you were in your
own dream (that you sub-cnsly constructed yourself, so the totem is constructed right) vs someone else's dream (i.e., on the machine, constructed by someone else).
You know you're in a dream by asking yourself how you got there.
But again, that's just IIRC.
ZylonBane on 26/8/2010 at 21:38
Quote Posted by Ulukai
How is that a
better explanation?
Because it's much more likely to be true.
Though I'll readily grant that for many people, comforting "truths" are preferable to and thus better than harsh truths. Hence, magical sky wizards and the belief that this is a competent movie.
Scots Taffer on 26/8/2010 at 23:58
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
If they don't know it they can't get an architect to replicate it. Therefore if you find yourself unsure about whether you are in a dream or not (if someone is trying to manipulate you in) you check your totem. If the weight is correct you know it's reality, if not it's a dream. Totem theory 101 COME ON GET WITH THE PROGRAM :p
Except they do.
Okay, the architect thing sort of makes sense when you consider the sequence with Saito and the carpet as a quasi-totem, however this would only be of a concern if you had no trust in the architect.
And aside from an incredibly minute difference in dress for the girl, I think the kids look exactly the same.
SubJeff on 27/8/2010 at 00:32
You may think they look exactly the same but the kids in the end sequence are played by different older actors, and they have different clothes.
This has been confirmed by the costume designer. Who was great btw.
demagogue on 27/8/2010 at 01:07
I just remember in the theatre some girl in the back row started laughing out loud when the two kids come on screen in the final scene because it was so canned. And I remember not blaming her for laughing like that.
Fafhrd on 27/8/2010 at 01:09
I need to see it again, but I thought the thing about knowing the precise weight of a totem was specific to Arthur's totem, since his was a weighted die. Knowing the weight of the top wouldn't matter, because the weight isn't its key property.
And the more you post, ZB, the more you prove that you don't know much about film criticism.
ZylonBane on 27/8/2010 at 02:38
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
And the more you post, ZB, the more you prove that you don't know much about film criticism.
Oh aren't you darling. I'd say I have a pretty good sense of what films are
worth picking apart. Which Inception clearly is not, having been cynically engineered precisely to present the illusion that it should be.
Fafhrd on 27/8/2010 at 04:15
And if you could make a cogent argument supporting that assertion, maybe you'd be worth listening to.
Ulukai on 27/8/2010 at 07:58
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Because it's much more likely to be true.
Though I'll readily grant that for many people, comforting "truths" are preferable to and thus better than harsh truths
Yes, yes. Thank you for the revelation that people don't like to hear the "truth" but you completely missed my point.
Lacing your thoughts with the pre-emptive defensive implication that anyone who disagreed with you was some sort of idiot is precisely why you're mostly unable to have a discussion without it turning into handbags at dawn.
Your explanation may be right, but stated as poisonously as is, a better explanation it is not.
june gloom on 27/8/2010 at 09:03
ZylonBane is basically Koki with more effort put into his posts.
