Innocent People in the Middle East, Victimized by Fascist Theocrats

Nicker on 4/8/2025 at 19:32

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You may want to read a history book. It's the Palestinians who want a one-state solution, which is why they've rejected the opportunity for a two-state solution on more occasions than I can remember.

:rolleyes:

You may want to enrich your history with some current events, SD. Likud is actively prosecuting a one state solution, on an industrial scale. As the title of this thread clearly states, the atrocities (including genocide) are being committed by the religious fascists on BOTH (please look that word up in a dictionary if it keeps giving you trouble) sides. The only difference is scale.

Israelis and Palestinians are both victims of the predations of their respective, theistic governments. Do you disagree?

Subjective Effect on 6/8/2025 at 22:57

Ah, you think they want to expel the Palestinians altogether.

Nicker on 9/8/2025 at 07:11

(https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mpg2glz1zo) Oh, Benji would never to that...

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Israel's security cabinet has approved a plan to take control of Gaza City, in a controversial escalation of its war in Gaza.

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians live in the city in the north of the Gaza Strip. It was the enclave's most populous city before the war.

I notice that you are still pretending that the atrocities are all from the Hamas side.

Hamas dreams of genocide. Likud is actively pursuing it.

DuatDweller on 10/8/2025 at 01:08

This is going to end very soon, just wait for WW3 anytime now....
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Starker on 25/8/2025 at 20:04

According to the IPC scale, there is no longer just a humanitarian emergency unfolding in Gaza, as it's been deteriorated to the worst level on the scale:

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(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/24/gaza-famine-declaration-israel-humanitarian-duty-analysis)

The declaration on Friday of widespread famine in Gaza by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) should mark a turning point in the war. The IPC, which represents a fastidious survey of available data, is regarded as the international gold standard in nutritional crises.

Long-criticised by humanitarians in other emergencies for its overabundance of caution, the IPC's declaration of Level 5 - “catastrophic” hunger - in Gaza is a significant moment. Famine, under the IPC's exacting criteria, requires three critical thresholds to be passed: extreme food deprivation, acute malnutrition and starvation-related deaths, all of which are now visible in Gaza.

A quarter of all Palestinians in Gaza are starving - more than 500,000 people - with that number expected to rise to more than 640,000 within six weeks.

A mark of the IPC's thoroughness is that despite the very strong suspicion that famine conditions exist in the far north of Gaza, it has not declared famine there because of a shortage of available reliable data.

Inevitably, Israel has called foul, accusing the IPC of being manipulated by Hamas and claiming that it is providing sufficient food to Gaza.

That lie, however, is challenged not just by the IPC's ruling but by the accumulation of all available evidence coming out of Gaza. Aid agencies large and small - including Médecins Sans Frontières' clinics - have been collecting their own data of growing levels of acute malnutrition. Palestinian doctors, journalists and ordinary individuals have told their own stories of going without food for days, of dramatic weight loss and exhaustion.

Those most vulnerable - the very young and very old, and those with pre-existing medical conditions - have begun dying as one would expect to see in an unfolding famine.

Israel's response has not been humanitarian. Its spokespeople and proxies have laboured to minimise the deaths, claiming those dying were dying anyway of other causes.

Blocking foreign media from accessing Gaza to report independently, Israel has instead ferried in sympathetic social media “influencers” to Gaza to amplify its denials: that it is Hamas's fault or the fault of the UN, whose main aid agency for Palestinians, Unrwa, Israel has banned from operating in Israel.

As aid agencies complained in a joint letter earlier this month - accusing Israel of “weaponising” aid - new Israeli registration rules have hampered their ability to operate.

Permissions for convoys either do not come, or are erratic or insufficient. Instead, Israel has pointed to its reliance on the private Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at whose sites hundreds of aid seekers have been massacred by Israeli gunfire.

What is most damning, however, is that the outbreak of full famine as described by the IPC and UN agencies has been fully avoidable.

Amid growing warnings over recent weeks and months of the precariousness of nutrition in Gaza, Israel could have reversed course at any point to admit sufficient aid and create a credible mechanism for its safe and timely distribution. As the military occupying force in 75% of the Gaza Strip it has been under a legal obligation under international law throughout this period to ensure this distribution.

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Instead of agreeing to a ceasefire and allowing an appropriate emergency response, Israel is threatening a large-scale new offensive precisely where the famine is centred in Gaza City, which would forcibly displace once again up to 1 million already desperate, hungry and exhausted Palestinians with no evidence that Israel has made meaningful preparations to sustain such a huge movement of people.
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Nicker on 26/8/2025 at 14:17

Both sides want the same thing but only one side has the ability to make it happen.

Subjective Effect on 28/8/2025 at 04:33

Let me try and kill this guy who is better fighter than me, then cry when I lose?

Hamas could have surrendered months ago and returned the hostages. They still could.

Leftist silence on this is deafening.

Mortis on 28/8/2025 at 13:06

I think the main takeaway is that you shouldnt believe the media, no matter which side you support. As such you shouldnt really need to pick a side if it is something that doesnt directly affect you majorly. Feeling sad about XYZ while not living in the warzone or surrounding areas doesnt make any difference to the people actually living through it. The media will just play both sides with misinformation to maximize their views. Take for example that one Palestinian guy that was memed for making sad posts while pretending to be he was a father, a soldier, an aid worker, a doctor and a bombing victim.

Take for example the Russia-Ukraine war. Within a few months of it starting, the media was telling us that Russia, was out of armaments, all their soldiers were dead, all the regular military age men in Russia had been conscripted (and half of them were already dead) and the Ukraine was days away from winning the war. Here we are several years later and things are pretty much the same.

P.S. Im Indian and we just had a little skirmish recently with Pakistan and received info from several sources, some of which were believable while others weren't.

The only thing you need to know from the India vs Pakistan thing is that Trump negotiated the ceasefire. ART OF THE DEAL !!

Nicker on 28/8/2025 at 15:36

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Silent where? Not here.

Likud could have stopped the systematic predation of Palestinian homes and settlements DECADES ago. They still could.

You need to go back and read the first post in this thread. You have clearly missed the whole point.

Starker on 9/9/2025 at 20:58

An investigation reveals some of the details behind the mass killings that have been carried out in Gaza by the IDF forces:

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(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich)

Five-month investigation reveals how four members of one family were shot and killed in a single day and highlights a pattern in which Israeli troops target unarmed civilians

Daniel Raab shows no hesitation as he watches footage of 19-year-old Salem Doghmosh crumpling to the ground beside his brother in a street in northern Gaza.

“That was my first elimination,” he says. The video, shot by a drone, lasts just a few seconds. The Palestinian teenager appears to be unarmed when he is shot in the head.

Raab, a former varsity basketball player from a Chicago suburb who became an Israeli sniper, concedes he knew that. He says he shot Salem simply because he tried to retrieve the body of his beloved older brother Mohammed.

“It's hard for me to understand why he [did that] and it also doesn't really interest me,” Raab says in a video interview posted on X. “I mean, what was so important about that corpse?”

A five-month investigation by the Guardian, Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ) and Paper Trail Media, Der Spiegel and ZDF has identified six people shot by Israeli snipers on 22 November 2023. And through interviews with survivors, witnesses and relatives, reviews of death certificates, medical records and geolocated images we revealed how a family from Gaza City's Tal al-Hawa neighbourhood was torn apart in a few hours by men who grew up in Naperville, Illinois and Munich, Germany.

Israeli snipers killed four members of the Doghmosh family that day, and injured two others. Their story illuminates patterns of killing by Israeli troops, who have repeatedly treated unarmed men between 18 and 40 in Gaza as targets.

The mass slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians is one factor cited by scholars, lawyers and rights groups who say Israel is committing genocide.

“They're thinking: ‘Oh I don't think [I'll get shot] because I'm wearing civilian clothes and I am not carrying a weapon and all that, but they were wrong,” said Raab, who majored in biology at the University of Illinois before joining the Israel Defense Forces. “That's what you have snipers for.”

After Salem was shot, his father, Montasser, 51, rushed to the site, and tried to collect his sons' bodies for burial, but was also fatally injured by a sniper.

The need for a dignified funeral for loved ones is a core human instinct, protected in law and explored in art for millennia. It is at the emotional heart of Homer's Iliad, one of the earliest surviving works of literature.

But on that day, Raab treated love and grief as cause to kill. “They just kept on coming to try and take these bodies,” he said.

The video of Salem's killing, and footage of other attacks on unarmed Palestinians, was posted online five months after his death, part of a montage made by a soldier called Shalom Gilbert to celebrate a deployment in Gaza.

Raab later said he and another sniper carried out three of those killings, in an interview carried out under deceptive circumstances by a team led by the Palestinian journalist and activist Younis Tirawi.

Raab was approached by a Hebrew speaker who claimed he wanted to write about the squad's experiences and to commemorate fallen soldiers, Tirawi said. Raab was promised anonymity, but Tirawi posted extracts of the interview online, justifying the decision by saying it was in the public interest, given the scale of civilian killings.

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In November 2023 Israeli forces operating in the area decided that section of Moneer al-Rayyes Street was off-limits to civilians, without notifying Palestinians. Raab described it as a “combat zone” where any man of military age was “marked for death”.

Establishing an invisible “security perimeter” then shooting civilians who cross it has become common practice in Gaza, Israeli soldiers have testified.

When asked how his squad decided whether to shoot unarmed Palestinians, Raab said: “Its a question of distance. There is a line that we define. They don't know where this line is, but we do.”
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